Comments on: Another day, another panic http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/ Watching the watchers watching what we watch Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:01:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5 by: Klaus http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5067 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:39:43 -0500 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5067 Fail to see how this is about censorship, the article linked mentioned no call for a ban. Think of this music as similar to nazi rock. And yes, kufur is derogatory. I should rather call it censorship when people are not allowed to voice concern about hate propaganda. Fail to see how this is about censorship, the article linked mentioned no call for a ban. Think of this music as similar to nazi rock. And yes, kufur is derogatory. I should rather call it censorship when people are not allowed to voice concern about hate propaganda.

]]> by: Paul http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5195 Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:36:04 -0500 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5195 The article looks - to me, at least - like an attempt to start an moral panic over Islamic hip-hop. The way these things tend to work is that the media starts talking about a perceived problem, and then suggesting that some form of entertainment or other is responsible. This leads, inevitably, to calls that "something must be done!" And, as soon as people start saying "something must be done" then we do have a censorship issue. "Kufur" is a derogatory term. But no-one is going to get involved in extremist politice just because they heard the word used on a record. The article looks - to me, at least - like an attempt to start an moral panic over Islamic hip-hop. The way these things tend to work is that the media starts talking about a perceived problem, and then suggesting that some form of entertainment or other is responsible. This leads, inevitably, to calls that “something must be done!”

And, as soon as people start saying “something must be done” then we do have a censorship issue.

“Kufur” is a derogatory term. But no-one is going to get involved in extremist politice just because they heard the word used on a record.

]]> by: Klaus http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5202 Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:25:08 -0500 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5202 That's a pretty hefty dose of slippery slope argumentation there. When the call for censorship comes, you can say 'told you so', but until then, I will exercise my free speech right to voice my concern about the message of religious isolation. Besides, calling for a caliphate among the drunken kuffar <i>is</i> extremist religious politics. But on that account, these lyrics are more a symptom than a cause - someone like Qaradawi has a lot more to answer for than these juveniles. I doubt you'd treat an article on nazi rock the same way. That’s a pretty hefty dose of slippery slope argumentation there. When the call for censorship comes, you can say ‘told you so’, but until then, I will exercise my free speech right to voice my concern about the message of religious isolation. Besides, calling for a caliphate among the drunken kuffar is extremist religious politics. But on that account, these lyrics are more a symptom than a cause - someone like Qaradawi has a lot more to answer for than these juveniles. I doubt you’d treat an article on nazi rock the same way.

]]> by: Paul http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5215 Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:15:06 -0500 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5215 "But on that account, these lyrics are more a symptom than a cause" This is the point that I'm trying trying to make. To suggest that teenagers listened to a record and suddenly became radicals <em>is</em> silly, but it is very easy to blame the media when things look a bit dodgy. And whether you think that this is a slippery slope argument or not, there are precedents. Most recently, in the UK, with the <a href="http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/08/kneejerking-off/" rel="nofollow">proposals</a> to make possession of "extreme porn" a criminal offence. There is no definition of what "extreme porn" actually is and no evidence that it is dangerous. But after a Brighton schoolteacher was killed by her boyfriend, the government wants to be <em>seen</em> to be doing something, so they're going to ban something. I think it is both reasonable and necessary to raise concerns about - and to challenge - religious, and other, isolationism. But to try and pretend that this is the result of a few rappers is silly, misleading and ultimately counterproductive. “But on that account, these lyrics are more a symptom than a cause”

This is the point that I’m trying trying to make. To suggest that teenagers listened to a record and suddenly became radicals is silly, but it is very easy to blame the media when things look a bit dodgy. And whether you think that this is a slippery slope argument or not, there are precedents. Most recently, in the UK, with the proposals to make possession of “extreme porn” a criminal offence.

There is no definition of what “extreme porn” actually is and no evidence that it is dangerous. But after a Brighton schoolteacher was killed by her boyfriend, the government wants to be seen to be doing something, so they’re going to ban something.

I think it is both reasonable and necessary to raise concerns about - and to challenge - religious, and other, isolationism. But to try and pretend that this is the result of a few rappers is silly, misleading and ultimately counterproductive.

]]> by: Trevor Loughlin http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5943 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:32:06 -0500 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-5943 I heard some pretty cool jihadi songs,and Nazi marching tunes-and as believer in total freedom of speech think they should be on "Top of The Pops." Mind you, I can't say I'm too impressed with the political ideas they put across. I heard some pretty cool jihadi songs,and Nazi marching tunes-and as believer in total freedom of speech think they should be on “Top of The Pops.”
Mind you, I can’t say I’m too impressed with the political ideas they put across.

]]> by: RED JIHAD http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-18383 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:00:27 -0400 http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/11/another-day-another-panic/#comment-18383 Selam Aleikum :) Newsnight did a similar piece on Islamic Hip Hop. Yes, It is about manufacturing a media panic, no augmentation!!! They don't want the working-class, left or right, of any colour hearing the Islamic message!!! PROPAGANDA!!! As for religious, even political isolation its a bit more complex than a few lyrics you know anything Islam, Salafism it's not a black and white area ask Al-caieda, why do think Abu Musab Al Zarqawi is dead lol ;;) I 'think it is both reasonable and necessary to raise concerns about - and to challenge - religious, and other, isolationism. But to try and pretend that this is the result of a few rappers is silly, misleading and ultimately counterproductive' and they know what their doing by bringing up the subject, giving it the air of publicity, problem, reaction, solution as Icke would say. Were just trying to sort out the mess created by the politicans, capitalists, scholars for dollars and the consumeristic, mindless sheeple ;) Selam Aleikum :) Newsnight did a similar piece on Islamic Hip Hop. Yes, It is about manufacturing a media panic, no augmentation!!! They don’t want the working-class, left or right, of any colour hearing the Islamic message!!! PROPAGANDA!!! As for religious, even political isolation its a bit more complex than a few lyrics you know anything Islam, Salafism it’s not a black and white area ask Al-caieda, why do think Abu Musab Al Zarqawi is dead lol ;;) I ‘think it is both reasonable and necessary to raise concerns about - and to challenge - religious, and other, isolationism. But to try and pretend that this is the result of a few rappers is silly, misleading and ultimately counterproductive’ and they know what their doing by bringing up the subject, giving it the air of publicity, problem, reaction, solution as Icke would say. Were just trying to sort out the mess created by the politicans, capitalists, scholars for dollars and the consumeristic, mindless sheeple ;)

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