Death threats in Denmark
Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has found itself on the recieving end of some violent threats following the publication of some cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which they called for after a a writer complained that nobody dared illustrate his book about Muhammad.
Twelve illustrators heeded the newspaper’s call, and sent in cartoons of the prophet, which were published in the newspaper earlier this month.
But some Muslims weren’t happy:
Death threats have forced daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten to hire security guards to protect its employees, after printing twelve cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed.
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The same day as the newspaper published the cartoons, it received a threatening telephone call against ‘one of the twelve illustrators’, as the caller said. Shortly afterwards, police arrested a 17-year-old, who admitted to phoning in the threat.
Since then, journalists and editors alike have received threats by email and the telephone. The newspaper told its staff to remain alert, but then decided to hire security guards to protect its Copenhagen office.
Muslim organisations have demanded an apology but the newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Carsten Juste, has – quite rightly – rejected the idea, pointing out that the cartoons had been a journalistic project aimed at finding out how many cartoonists would refrain from drawing the prophet out of fear.
‘We live in a democracy,’ he said. ‘That’s why we can use all the journalistic methods we want to. Satire is accepted in this country, and you can make caricatures. Religion shouldn’t set any barriers on that sort of expression. This doesn’t mean that we wish to insult any Muslims.’
And then someone decided to turn things up a notch:
Bombs exploding over pictures of Danish daily Jyllands-Posten and blood flowing over the national flag and a map of Denmark are among the images circulating on the internet after the newspaper printed twelve cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed last month.
Daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende reported that the internet collages, posted in the name of an unknown organisation calling itself ‘The Glory Brigades in Northern Europe’, showed pictures of various tourist attractions in Denmark and stated that ‘The Mujahedeen have numerous targets in Denmark – very soon you all will regret this’, amongst other things.
Another picture showed soldiers, armed with bombs, over a map of Denmark, with blood spattered over parts of the country.
The front page of Jyllands-Posten featured prominently on many of the four collages. The newspaper has been criticised by Muslims for printing the cartoons, and was forced to hire security guards after receiving hate mail and death threats over the telephone.
It may turn out that these threats are nothing more than some teenager with a copy of Photoshop – and I hope they do – but, as terrorism researcher Anja Dalgaard-Nielsen from the Danish Institute of International Studies warns, it’s not an assumption that we can safely make:
‘We know that the internet is used both for propaganda and for actual terrorism instructions. It makes it more difficult for intelligence agencies to identify potential terrorists, because the internet reduces their need for physically passing through country’s borders in the recruitment and training process,’ she said.
Søren Hove, another terrorism researcher, points out that although the threats are anonymous and less florid with Koran quotes than earlier Islamist rantings, “the message displayed in the collages was so threatening that it should be investigated by the police.”
Update: Thanks to MediaWatchWatch for finding the cartoons online.
764 comments Friday 21 Oct 2005 | Paul | Denmark
u should be ashamed of furiating the muslim emotions. soon inshallah you will see u country conquered by muslims n thats a promise
the solution is to cut out with Denemark and never deal with it.
and we should display the funny things that talks about Denemark…and I hope that Denemark go to hell..
However, we can not talk about any prophet because we respect other prophets …this is our religion and we can not kill because it is not easy to kill a man in Islam …however the writers should be punished…
This is my idea about this subject
thank you
If the muslims can’t tolerate the liberties of western societies like Denmark which is what made it possible for them to find a safe haven there in the first place, I suggest taking the plane back to whatever sand dune they came from.
We don’t respect any “prophets” more than others, Jesus, Muhammed, Abraham, Buddha.. Same shit, different name. Get it?
The above link the mohammed cartoons seems to broken. You can find all the drawings here:
http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2005/12/10/un-to-investigate-jyllands-posten-racism/
i think publishing picture like this do nothing but creat more anger among muslims. The western world is breeding more terror this way. Is that the modern way of bullying muslims?
Ahmed Sallam
Ahmed Sallam, you are making a number of assumptions here that I would like to take issue with.
The Muhammad pictures may well offend you, and you have every right to take offence at whatever you like. However, being offended at something cannot and should not be used as a justification for issuing death threats or turning to wider terrorist activities.
You, I and everyone else are responsible for our own actions. The implication that religious extremists are somehow forced to go around threatening people because of their convictions is both dangerous and wrong.
You see these cartoons as “bullying muslims,” but the newspaper sees it differently. Bear in mind that this started with a writer complaining that no-one would dare illustrate his book about Muhammad. So who was being bullied?
In a free society, you have the right to express opinions that other people may find deeply offensive. The other side of this coin is that other people can, and will, say things that offend you.
It is better to be occasionally offended than repressed.
We have to make a stand against these filthy muslims who are trying to destroy democracey and free speech,,,dont let the scumlims win!!
islamophobe, you are an idiot.
Muslims are no better or worse than any other religions group, be they Christians, Sikhs or Scientologists.
Anyone is entitled to believe whatever they like in the privacy of their own home. They are not entitled to inflict their views on the rest of us.
I DONT UNDERSTAND, DO U THINK BY DRAWING THIS KIND OF PICTURE, U WILL RISE UP THE FREEDOM AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS?????, WHAT U DID IS A HUGE MISTAKE, SPECIALLY IN THIS TIME. THE FIRE IS HIGH ENOGH, WE DONT NEED MORE GAS. U SHOULD THINK AND HAVE LONG TERM VIEW.U MAKE FUN OF OUR PROPHET AND WE SHOULD BE SILENT COZ ITS FREEDOM LAW??? THIS ACT WILL CREAT A BIG SEQUANCES, AND WE WONT STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, UNTIL IT STOP TOTALLY.BY THEWAY , I HEARD THIS NEWSPAPER HAS THE LOWEST SUBSCRIBTIONS IN DENEMARK, I WANNA KNOW WHAT IS THE DENEMARK PEOPLE REACTION ABOUT THIS????/
The question is how much can freedom go before it turns into Chaos. Am I free to insult others? Does Sarcasm have no limit? If anyone has something sacred, should I humiliate it? Adding to all of this the crazy world we are all living in, do we really need this?
i dont know wats the point of publishin those pics….the only reason i c is to insult r prophet…i wonder if any of u(ppl from denemark)heard about him.. i wish that anyone of just study wat he did or read stuff that he wrote..ofcourse the Quaran will be 2 complex..but i dare u to find any mistake that he did in his all life.
lets say u dont belive in him….but that dosent change the fact that he turned million of ppl from being saparated accross the middle east into one of the greatest kindom on history….unable 2 read…yet tought all of us muslims things that sceintest only discovered now days…if any of u read his life story u’ll understand wat i mean….coz i know…all the muslim know..some of ur ppl and sceintest know that he is the best man that ever set foot on earth…nearlly all ppl who studied islam turned into muslims.
Islam never insulted any religion..it didnt insult any prophet on the contract we beleive in them and carry great respect 2 them.
i dont live in denemark and never was there…to tell u the truth i really liked that country and its ppl…and i didnt expect somtin like that…and u dont call that bulyin…i dont know if u would care if we puplished insultin picture of any other prophet…but we wont and i think that should bother u…..
by the way the word “islam” means “peace”….we dont encourge teroits nor vilonce..some of these explotins and sucide attack have defence reasons..and yes there r some that only spread fear and unsafeness…
this press should be ashamed of publlishen such things!
Freedom has limits, and anyone’s freedom should stop at the tip OF his/ her nose. You can not simply hurt others feelings and belives and say that is freedom. Doing everthing in the name of freedom will justify the death threats that some people made to those who drew these caricatures. Has this caricarture been done about jews, the newspaper would have been closed and those drawing the caricatures would have been accused of being ANTI- SEMATIC. From experience and the shameful carcutures I have seen I can safely say that Those who have drawn these caricatures are like MOST of those in the western world, totally ignorant about Islamic culture and religion, and they just do continue to stereotype Arabs and Prophet Mohamed, Peace Be Upon Him, without thinking. We do have in Islam a very good saying that says, if you speak with a knowledgeble person you easily beat him/her with your knowledge but if you speak with an ignorant man, he/she will beat you beat you with his/her ignorance simply because you should not degrade yourself by going down to their level. In summary, I would not an dignify those who have drwan these shameful caricatures with a comment or even an insult. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO OR ANY OTHER POWER DOES, ISLAM WILL REMAIN THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND PROPHET MOHAMED WILL REMAIN CHERISHED AND RESPECTED IN THE HEARTS OF BILLIONS OF RESPECTED PEOPLE WHO HAVE READ THOROUGHLY ABOUT ISLAM AND UNDERSTOOD ITS PHILOSOPHY!
Hi everybody,
I believe we can have fun without hearting others feeling. Islam is a religion of peace wither all Muslims practice this or not.
Prophet Mohammed & Holly Quran clearly indicated that “Don’t harm yourself and don’t harm others”
I advice all of you to read the book of “Quran”. It is available in all languages
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/spot_full_story.asp?service_id=578
Hi
Firs tof all the idea of threatning didn’t start by Muslims, they adopted it from Israelians..I my self recieved a threatning on a Yahoo group by an American subscriber. The moderator tried to pink my PC and know what is the country I come from.. and finally when my Antivirus blocked him, he could get the IP address of my ISP and found the country i come from.. all this becasue I was writting things against Israel and USA
However she neve apologized, the other way round .. when I discovered that she was trying to hack my system she said:
You are closes-minded and cann’t understand the freedom of USA!!!!
yes! she simply said that my anger about her trial to hack my PC was out of my (being ton-tolerant) and (anti_democrcy!!!)
Can this Newspaper post such cartoon about Moses?? or post a “real” pics about what is going on in Iraq or Afganistan or Palestine?
I doubt it!
Response to comment #11: The point of publishing the cartoons was to find out whether illustrators are justified in feeling afraid to do their job where Muhammed is concerned.
From some of the comments I’ve seen here, I think they’re more than vindicated.
Response to comment #12: Freedom should not be limited by other people’s sensitivities. If it means anything, freedom of speech means the right to say what some people don’t want to hear.
Response to comment #14: Did you contact Yahoo about being threatened online? I think you should.
This newspaper can publish cartoons about Moses – or Jesus for that matter – and many western newspapers have done. A quick search on Google turned up stoned Jesus, racing Jesus and a crucified Jesus, among others. Or, if you’d prefer, here’s a film of gay Jesus.
The point is that none of these images harm anyone. And none of the Muhammed cartoons harm anyone. And if no-one is harmed by them, there is no reason not to publish them.
Look, we are living in a world of threat and dangor and this is an other fuel to the fire which is already on. Your interpretation of democracy will differ from that of ours, but bear in mind that no vice person & country allow this happen with the lowest profile this country have in the eyes of muslim in the world.
i dont say anything about the person who made this mistake, coz he will be punished in its right time, for it is not a simple joke.
I think its shame and not acceptable from an educated and respectfull people to think like this, because you are speaking about a prophit whose believers are more than 2 billion muslims
YOU MUST KNOW THIS MAN
MUHAMMAD
You may be an atheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to anyone of the religious denominations that exist in the world today. You may be a Communist or a believer in democracy and freedom. No matter what you are, and no matter what your religious and political beliefs, personal and social habits happen to be – YOU MUST STILL KNOW THIS MAN!
This is a hate crime. The drawings bluntly reflect the intense and cruel hatred those who created and published the cartoons have toward Prophet Muhammed and Islam.
#16: You say “Your interpretation of democracy will differ from that of ours”. But a democracy can’t function without freedom of speech – and if one group or another is able to determine what can or cannot be said, then you don’t have freedom of speech and you can’t claim to be a democracy.
In Denmark, you can speak out about Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Islam, or any other issue that motivates you and – unless you are advocating violence – no-one will stop you. But, if you want to enjoy the right to say what you like regardless of how uncomfortable it makes others, then you have to accept that others have the same right to say things that you don’t want to hear.
#17: The numbers don’t matter. Even if there was only one non-Muslim in the world, he should still enjoy the right to criticise Islam.
#18: Nope. Never met him.
#19: It’s not a hate crime – as the courts have already established. The people guilty of hate crimes are those that have threatened the newspaper’s staff and issued death threats. If you can’t see the difference between a picture and a death threat, you are a seriously confused individual.
And finally, can I suggest that you all go and read this article in Lebanese Daily Star:
Maybe you’d serve your cause a lot better if you did a little less shouting and a little more thinking.
I think this whole deal is stupid!
The newspaper has ALL RIGHTS to show those drawings, as the country has FREEDOM OF SPEACH. dont like it ? move else where
Muslims in the western world seems like they all cry out wolf these days, never the less they flock to these countries to gain some of the security these countries provide – but cant accept how that country is
all I hear these days is – rasist, its your fault our kids is on drugs, in jail bla bla bla.
look at denmark – this country gives like 2000 $ to an unemployed with one kid – i think its 3000 or 3500$ for 2 adults and one kid
70 % of the tax money for this unemployment suport goes to muslim immigrants, 65 % of all crimial cases is filed to muslim immigrants and 80 % of all in prison is yet again muslim immigrants…. and their total population is less than 10 %
my statement ? Shut up , enjoy the country you live in, accept the conditions as you wouldt FORCE us to, if we lived in a muslim country or go to hell
i’m sick and tired of muslims these days ( and i’m not living in denmark ) – they shouldt hore , prositute after my gf, if your out drinking i often get bulled my muslims boys, they are 5 times as often criminals, if anything is not acourding to their belife they shout rasist, demand this and that or gives death threats.
so once again – SHUT the f*** up and behave like normal welbehaved and socialised people or fuck off to where ever you came from
just my 2 cents
General response:
As a Middle Eastern and a Muslim, I respect your right to speak freely and to say what you like about your own religions. But if you have no respect for your prophets, it is not the same for us. It is probably the same for those who are religious of the Christian or Jewish faiths, who would not take kindly to the marring of their prophet’s images. (We all remember the uproar caused by the Irish singer who tore up a picture of the Pope, it wasn’t even a picture of Jesus).
Islam teaches a tolerance for all prophets and religions. Politics and oppression, teach the Islamic world hate. What I would like to say is: if you have the right to offend Muslims, Muslims have a right to respond according to the rules YOU set in the so called ‘Civilised’ part of the world.
We are doing our best to fight religious intolerance in our part of the world, Maybe you should start by doing the same. The illustrations were extremely offensive. They were clearly fuelled by racism, and they were pathetically stereotypical. And they clearly showed an ignorance about Islam, and its prophet.
Now it is a well known fact that any discriminatory illustrations regarding any other group, be it religious or racial, would NOT have been allowed to be published in Western newspapers. Albeit, other groups may have a lot more weight than Muslims do in the West, and can put a lot more pressure on your governments. Or you feel sorry for mistreating them in the past, so you feel obliged to show them some respect.
And please don’t respond by saying that i am wrong, because I have never heard ANY objections to Orthodox Jewish women covering their hair or being ‘Forced’ to cover up, and not eat pork, or to nuns and preists who are ‘forced’ to dress modestly and practice celibacy, etc. Because they are not ‘forced’, it is a choice they have made becuase of their respective beliefs, as have we Muslims. And if it is about radicalism, there are radicals in every religion. That doesn’t change the essence of the religion.
In my humble opinion, Muslims are mainly to blame (ignoring of course, decades of Western imperialism) for the state we are in today. And for the ignorance in the non-muslim world about our religion.
My response to all who claim the right to speak and to voice their opinions, regardless of the adverse effects they may have, is:
If you have the right to speak, you cannot deny us the right to respond, (calmly and without colourful death threats, of course).
If you believe everyone has a right to worship as they please, we believe we have a right to that too.
If you believe in the sanctity of your church and the prophet Jesus, we believe in the sanctity of our prophet and our beliefs.
We have to stop this futile squabbling, and start repairing the rift. So we can all live in peace.
it seem that denmarki people is not better than some ameracan!
iam full disappointed that this cartoon puplished in a country in Europe..!
what a shame…
they cant show some respect to our most great man (( mohammed )) peace be up on him and all his brothers :david , mosa , josef, jesus peace be up on all of them.
May god dam all those who not respect the others belives ..they talk about democracy ..is this from your democracy principles…and thanks to all poeple that respect the other …again i said ..you cant extingushe the prophet light.
Hello,
It really hurts and disappoints me that as a muslim we get no true respect for our beliefs. I am 14 years old and have heard and read everything that is going on and it angers me, but I must stay calm and reply peacefully. To the muslims that are making hatred comments to the Danish people in general they shouldn’t because the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) replyed to the people that hated him with peace and kindness. If you have heard about the story when the prophet was praying and some Jews came up behind him and poured animal insides on top of him. He didn’t get up and bring a sword and an army and kill them he just continued what he was doing.
I live in America, and I love this country, and every day I hear people say this and that about my religon. One day the truth will be shown. How it will be shown is unknown.
Also to the commenters that aren’t muslim. Truly when you say stuff about my religon, I laugh because at the age I am at I reply with kindness and maturity. If you can’t say something nice or that won’t offend people than keep it to your selfs. You must have learned that when you were in first grade.
To top it off I respect every single religon in this world, because they all have a meaning to the people that follow it and that is good enough.
I hope peace will take over the world instead of hatred.
Thank You.
Reply to the calm comment of #22 General response:
Your second sentence, the assumption as do all the Muslim responses seem to make is that all of us in the West are religious. Some of us are. Some of us are not. What do you make of someone who says to you the following: “My unbelief is my belief. Respect it!” Are you up to it? Do non religous people owe religious people respect as defined exclusively from your particular bias based on the premise that religious belief automatically trumps non religious belief? If that is the case then I have to take it on faith from you, a religious act, fundamentally an act of faith. Effectively you would be saying that the default point in any argument would be first and foremost your particular set of religious beliefs. You would set the parameters of what is acceptable and what is not. You would have exclusive rights there. Thanks but no thanks. Your religious default point is not universal. Sorry to have to let you in on this bit of essential information… It is just one amongst many others!
Uproar there was about Sinead O’Connor but that’s all it was -uproar. No hysterics. No fatwas. No death threats. No boycotts but a lot of healthy debate and a lot of hot air.
When the Spanish conquistadors went to South America they were horrified by the natives who threw the Holy Bible (in Spanish eyes the word of God)on the ground. Why? It had no meaning for them. It had no value whatsoever for them but they paid dearly for their “insolence” and lack of “respect.”
You tell us that Islam is about tolerance. Why is it a crime for a Muslim in Egypt to change his religion? Tolerance! Why is unbelief punishable by death in Saudi Arabia? Tolerance! Why are there no churches there to cater to the Christian labour force? Tolerance! Why are women in Iran criminaised if they refuse to cover their heads? Tolerance! Then we are told to keep a straight face when we hear that “there is no compulsion in Islam?” How can a religion earn respect if it can only prop itself up through the appparatus of the state?
Religion is mediated through people. Reference to adherence or lack of adherence to this or that holy book is irrelevant. What you see is what you get. You can’t separate the dancer from the dance. One is meaningless without the other. It is the practice that counts, not the “theory.” So people will inevitably generalise. That’s how we make our value judgments.
Having said that, I can also say that in my travels in Middle Eastern countries I have come across many exceptions to the above generalisations of individuals whose humanism is only limited by the constraints impose by governments trying to be more Catholic than the pope or whatever the Muslim equivalent of that expression is.
How is it that these cartoons can energise so many people in the Middle East but they can’t work up the same level of passion and fire in the very same peopple for debate about the Human Development Report on the Middle East where real burning issues need to be debated with equal if not greater passion? Surely that should be the talk of the town? And how about some glasnost and some perestroika too? Mona Eltahawy’s article in the Daily Star (24-01-2006) really hits the nail on the head.
For your comment about Publishing fun photos pr movies about Jesus, my long relation with Christian people made me sure that such things don’t bother them because the don’t -deeply- feel that there is a real human being called Jesus. A God or not a God is not an issue for discussion , But non will be offended by any thing said about jesus, becasue in most cases , Christian people say bad things about Jesus…(go to Italy and enjoy the fine language!!!)
No the point That I raised is: Can any News Paper Publish Fun cartoons about Moses?
Can Any News paper question the fake number of Jews killed by Hetler ?
Can Any Body talk about the Crimes commited by Israel or question what is going on in Palestine!
An American Peace activest Called Racel was ran over by an israeli Bulldozer, and No comment was made by any news paper! while if an Israeli blind old man was died becasue of cold the world will cry fo it!!
Every day tens of Palestinians are killed by Isaeli Forces,,… have u heard about them??
Pleace don’t mention the very small useless efforts made by this or that news paper every other year to show (Balanced) coverage of the events in the Arab-Isaeli conflict..
I think every body say bad things about Jews in France is taken to the court becasue of Anti Semetism…. Am i right!!!
Bye!
This can be called Freedom to Eat!!!
http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3519478/
Prophet drawings anger Saudi consumers
By The Copenhagen Post
Saudi Arabian consumers threaten to protest drawings of the prophet Mohammed by boycotting Arla Foods
Arla Foods is concerned that a boycott of the company’s products in Saudi Arabia could cost billions if it takes widespread effect.
Saudi Arabian religious and political leaders encouraged consumers to boycott Danish-based Arla Foods’ products during last Friday’s weekly prayer service.
Since then, the call to has been repeated on national TV stations and newspapers accompanied by pictures of Arla products.
Arla, one of the world’s largest producers of dairy products, has earnings worth DKK 3b in the Middle East and expected to open a major dairy facility in two weeks in Saudi Arabia.
Religious leaders called for the boycott as a way to respond to drawings of the prophet Mohammed printed in daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September. The newspaper printed 12 drawings of the prophet Mohammed last year as a way to challenge what it considered the intimidating tactics of fundamental islamists.
One Saudi Arabian chain of supermarkets has already removed Arla products from its shelves and called for an official apology.
Arla company feared the boycott could spread.
‘The situation is escalating very quickly right now.’ said Finn Hansen, a department head for Arla. ‘The development in the last hours is quite worrisome.’
Hansen said that major partners in Saudi Arabia had summoned Arla employees to meetings in the next days.
‘They have attempted to make us denounce the drawings. The situation is critical because the Saudi consumers react collectively. We’re afraid of being hit by a wave of consumer anger,’ he said.
Denmark’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Hans Klingenberg, confirmed that the threat of a widespread boycott had increased in recent days and that Danish companies were concerned.
‘There’s a risk that in Denmark, we have underestimated the offence that the drawings have caused – not just among Muslims in Denmark but in the whole Muslim world. We should take the threat very seriously,’ said Klingenberg.
Reply to 24.
You have the gall to say Mohammed meet those who ridiculed him with peace? Perhaps that one instance but his usual way of operating was to ride in with his thieving followers and commit rapes and murder. I’m not religous and it offends me to hear Jesus and Mohammed used in the same breath. One was a Jewish holy man who interpreted his people’s long standing religeon, the other was a raping thief who stole bits and pieces of judiasm and christianity. Do you people not even bother to look at the history of your so called “religeon”?
Oh Juicy! You telling me that you botherd looking at the history of Islam? Hmmm, I wonder where?! What sources you used to read about this religion?! Look, basic principles when you want to critisize a religion (which i think you’r not capable of doing so) is to read the original text of that religion rather than google it!
Dodo wait for their economy to shake and then you might see the whole country embracing Islam because they can live without a religion but they can’t live without money!!
To the Danish President:
You call it freedom of speech to publish pictures insulting our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. You say you can’t make them remove the pictures because it would be undoing generations work of establishing freedom of speech in this country. Well if I stood in the middle of the street in Denmark and started calling the muslims to fight against America and her allies “including you”, then would I be safe under the act of freedom of speech? Would I? Or would I be dragged from the street and thrown into a prison, tortured and killed because I am nothing but a MUSLIM? I ask this because I want to know.
This was an attack on the muslims everywhere in the world. Will you take it back or will we have to take things into our own hands? I warn you for we muslims are proud. We don’t stand for humiliation. We fight back to restore our rights and return the pride and victory to the nation of Muhammad peace be upon him.
So REMEMBER, We warned YOU!
Mujahida Fe Sabilillah
It is surprising for me as Muslim who highly regarded western civilization for its respect of freedom and human rights to see such civilization go against itself in this manner degrading a great symbol of love and tolerance who is cherished by about two billion people who live on this planet too.
Wouldn’t it be a good idea for you to learn about us (and I mean from reliable sources) before you contempt us so much? It is again surprising that on the one hand we hear about coming cultural events in Denmark but at the same time we hear about total dark ignorance there about a sublime culture like that of Islam. Please read more about Islam. read more about Muhammad. Read the Quraan’s account of Abraham, Moses and Jesus and all prophets of god whom we Muslims hold in great respect
Wouldn’t it be a good idea to trace the roots of terrorism and understand why some people can lose their minds and kill and burn. The cause of terrorism is not Muhammaed peace upon him. Terrorism (which I denounce)is the product of those who occupied our lands and killed millions of our innocent women and children. All terrorist power is nothing but a box of matches compared to what the west is doing in our lands.This cartoons are very successful only if you want to breed more and more hatred in the world.
Finally please remember :Muhammad peace upon him was not the one who invented and used the atomic bomb, killing hundreds of thousand of civilians in a few minutes.
it is evidently clear that the west, in general, does never learn from mistakes and history. Muslims do respect other prophets such as jessus, Abraham, and Moses because their religion tells and teaches them to do so. In fact a Muslim wouldn’t be Muslim if he/she does not beleieve in Jessus, as prophet, and the rest of the other prophets. There is a complete chapter in the Quran about Mary and Jessus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them. This kind of tolerance can never be expected from the Chrsitian west, let alone from the secular west. Making enemies of Muslims is the last thing the west would need at this critical juncture of the relationship between the west and the Muslim world. It is just naive and rediculous to call this rubish of the twelve cartoons “freedom of speech”. any freedom does have limits that make freedom iself a sacred principle, otherwise this “freedom” would first hurt itself before it can hurt any other principle. The feelings amongst the Muslim world are very justfiable and expected. Some people are being sarcastic even about the Muslim world’s reaction to the cartoons. Such kind of people do not have anything to do with any religion in the world nor do they have any value system or ethics that govern their relationship with others and the way they regard other religion followers. Thus, their veiwpoints shall not be given any weight. I dont think there is any sane individual in the world would calll insulting religions and prophets “freedom of speech”. If this is the case, I can easily say to you: your king,your president, your prime minister, yopur wife and your mother are all fornicators and call that “freedom of speech”. Come on, come on!!!!
I would like everybody to watch videos of Dr. Zakir Naik regarding
“Islam & Christanity” , “Muhammad(Pbuh) In The Various Religious Scriptures” , “Qur’an And Bible In The Light Of Science Vs Campbell” & “Similarities Between Islam And Christanity” which will help to eradicate many misunderstanding about Islam & help you to understand Islam.
Here is the link:
http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=50027&TitleName=Zakir_Naik
Peace to you all.
Denmark about to go broke (!) => lol => according to distinguished moslim Dr. Alladin this is about to happen. And now he might be a candidate to win the 6th Nobel Prize in history for islam, because they’re such peaceful & scientific people (in their own minds). If you’d just take a peek-a-boo at the real world Alladin…that means letting your head out of the crystal ball for a change…not your ass five times a day like your religion commands; then you would most likely have to face some facts.
1) Arla Foods is a greedy multi-national fuck-up org. that deserves the trouble it is in, because it made buisness partners of moslims in the first place.
2) Referring to the Dodo submission January 28th: Don’t know who did the English translation at JP stating a 3b earnings record for Arla in Saudi Arabia. Let’s remind ourselves it’s in DKr. 6,13 to $ 1, thus less than $500m. It also says earnings – not true – it’s in fact turnover according to other Danish news media unified. I doubt profits are anywhere near $60m.
3) Simply had to check out what kind of impact this one would have on the economy; enter http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_landes_BNP.
USA 2005 – #1 at $ 12.438.873 by 330.000000 people = $ 37693,55 per persona
Saudi Arabia 2005 #25 at $ 286.895 by 26,500000 people = $ 10826,22 per persona
Denmark 2005 #27 at $ 265,934 by 5,200000 people = $ 511411, 54 per persona
Holy Cow, if the Saudi consumer boycots us my personal loss would amount to something like two six packs missing, when the TV-soccer is on Sunday afternoon. Gives me yet another reason to hate islam and the fucker Muhammed who started it. As for the economy – I seriously doubt it will even turn up in the OECD quarterly.
Impact in Saudi Arabia…hmmm. Arla has got a production plant there employing some 1000 arab young men, doing useful production instead of bartering, servicing, collecting social welfare they moslim way. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot as they always do….the ROW couldn’t care less.
Info: The oldest national flag in the world is a crusade banner, it’s red with a white cross, it’s called Dannebro and it’s the flag of good old Denmark.
just a min i wont to tell you all one thing to compare.the so called
civilized world which i call the animal world in denemark, and islam
this is just one small information . islam doesnt allow cursing and disrespecting other religions or what other people worship even if they worship stones .that respect of religion was 14 decades ago and at the 21 century some people are showing disrespect to men like mohammed and even jesus and you call this civilization i call the western world” pornlization” in every thing from iraq war to miss world sorry but you are no humans you are just a punch of pigs and monkeys
Reply to #26
can a news paper publish fun cartoon about moses ?
YES OFCOURSE ! freemdom of speech!
can any newpaper question the fake number of jews killed by Hitler ?
NO! and why ? well becourse its ONLY the muslim world who belives its a fake number or question if there was any killings ? This is the worst thing about islam and for me makes em just as baad as nazies. the only reason why islam dont belives it is becourse they them selv are truly rasist and their greatest wish is to go kill all the judes… wow how tolerent. if we in the west said that about islam it wouldt be the start of ww3 eventhough they them self has those belives!
Can any body talk about the crimes commited by Isreal or questen what goes on in Palestine ?
YES – and they do all the fricking time! no many newspapers is pro isrealisc – no most newspapers talk about how poor they palestine ppl are. well i think otherwise – can never fell pity on hamas who goes on and killing innocent people!
and one fimal note :
I dont care if you take offence about the drawings. Thats your problem – dont excpet us to follow your norms and your state og mind! Here in the west its ok to make fun of queens, moses, jesus, god and yes allso the mulism god if we want. thats freedom of speach and if you want us to respect you , u better start respecting us
true that it might be a mistake – but the drawing where posted to see who many wouldt not make such drawings becourse they was afraid of the muslims!
u see – in the west muslims allways makes threaths or attack people if things are not going like they want
i can only say again
fuck the shut up and be happy if you live in a western country or go back to the sand dune you came from…
I still have to see a tolerent muslim area in the western world who dont make threats all the fricking time or go go attack ppl when they say something the muslims dont like
follow customs in the country you live in AS YOU WOULD FORCE US TO
hehehe one note
today i had to buy pizza and fruit
asked every single one if they where from palesteine or saw them self as arab – and when they sayed yes – i told them that i wouldt not buy anything from them – freedoom to eat as one said
finnally i found a turkish dude i bought my stuff at – but i will never again buy anything from the other stores. that gotta teach em… eeeehhh.. well probably not
only a nuke will
what kind of excuse is it the muislims wants and why,
I am all for freedom of speech. Great! What will happen to me when I go to the centre square in Copenhagen, dressed as a Pig and decorated with the Star of David? Isn’t it all relative! You are free to do what you want until you start hurting others! I am a muslim and I am hurt!
Mr Noozer
If u believe that the bunch of nonsence u said is a replay to my Post…then u are mistaken…it just shows that Most of western people are as impolite as to stop any effort to make a mutual discussion
Why I am not surpised by ur answer? becasue U are a Christian Cow keeper that have no moralities! And those who have no moralities have no standards or rules to judge things according to…
Go baby… debate on whether ur sister is allowed to marry a woman like her or not… and leave civilized discussions to civilized people
34# Remember in 1971 what the Saudis did to US. It was a good lesson and I’m sure no single american can forget. Well, you have to know one thing is that Money is last thing a Muslim should worry about, because it’s an essential belief in Islam that not the people who feed us. We feel sorry for you poeple when you run your ass for the whole month just to end up with few dollars in your pocket, paying off bills, loans or whatever. Actually, you worship the money when you spend your whole life just worrying about it, seriously it’s a sad picture to look at. And don’t worry about 1000 or even 1 million turn unemployed because they are not slaves for the money they can get jobs easily, opportunities are out there, don’t forget that Saudies is one of the richest countries out there. Without our Oil you will end up riding your fat cow to work and having frost bites in you ass in the winter. Now just to be fair, i know that there are people out there with other goals, but the majority is that way, I know that becuase i lived in one of the so called countries of democracy and Free of speach. Also, there many Muslims who are after the money in this life becuase can’t have 1.6 billion in the same pattern. A Muslim who practice Islam properly according to the teaching of Islam will have no worries about money. All what I am saying is give it sometimes and you will see the result, becuase economy doesn’t slip or boost in one day!
What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
The term “terrorism” does not exist in the Qur’an or the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. If the terms “terrorist or terrorism” are derived from a verb used in the Qur’an, such as 5:33 describing a “Muslim’s” terrorist acts, it is in condemnation and prescribes most severe punishment. Islam is a religion and a way of life that does not separate politics from religion. Islam is a religion of mercy, unity and most importantly peace with one’s self and others, to defend not to fight. Allah said in His Book the Qur’an:
“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. God loves just dealers.” (Qur’an 60:8)
“Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not begin aggression. for God loves not aggressors.” (Qur’an 2:190)
“If they seek peace, then seek you peace and trust in God for He is the Hearer, the Knower.” (Qur’an 8:61)
“… and let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is next to piety; and fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (Qur’an 5:8)
“But (remember that an attempt at) requiting evil may, too, become an evil: hence whoever pardons (his foe) and makes peace, his reward rests with Allah- for, verily He does not love transgressors.” (Qur’an 42:40)
“The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and thee there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. (Qur’an 41:34)
Some of the Prophet Muhammad’s Teachings (Sunnah)
1. He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, “… do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.”
2. “Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.”
3. “The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.” Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
4. “Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable.”
5. “There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human.”
Islam and Human Rights
1. The Qur’an and Sunnah encourage Muslims to respect the life and property of all mankind.
2. In an Islamic State these rights are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not.
3. Islam protects honor, forbids insulting others, and/or making fun of them.
4. Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, and/or race.
5. All Muslims believe that Allah created all humans free and equal, only to be distinguished from each other on the basis of God-consciousness or piety and never on the basis of race, color or ethnicity.
Islam is a practical religion that respects all human beings and it was revealed for all mankind. Its message is that of peace and submission to Allah. Muslims believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible, and the Qur’an. The Qur’an shares many moral teachings of the Old Testament and the New Testament. These three religions (and their books) were founded upon the revelations by One True God, Allah. For more information on this topic please see the brochure Human Rights In Islam or ask for brochure #7 from the III&E, the publisher of this article.
Jihad in the Bible
Let us see what the Bible has to say about Jihad in the meaning of war and violence. The following verses are from the Bible, New International Version (NIV), 1984, italics added.
“Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. Exodus 22:18-20
“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about three thousand of the people died.” Exodus 32:27-28
“The LORD said to Moses, ‘Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites…. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps…. (Moses ordered) “Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” Numbers 31: 1-18
(Jesus said) “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.” Luke 19:27
“He (Jesus) said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:36
Differential treatment
Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy and forgiveness. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the basic tenants of Islam. When Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City building, no American or Christian was labeled as a terrorist or was the target of hate crimes. When Irish Christians carry out acts of terrorism against each other and on the British Isles, the Christian religion is not blamed but individuals or their political agenda. Unfortunately, the same is not true for American Muslims and Arabs. The vast majority of Muslims or Arabs have no association with the violent events around the world yet Islam is invoked with terrorism. It is unfair to 1.2 billion Muslims of the world and religion of Islam.
Reply to #38 – What the moslim cave men want??? They want destruction, as they cannont bear the success of other cultures, including that of proud Hindus and Buddists.
Moslims are ashamed when they look at themselves in the mirror; powerless, sexually frustrated and asking themselves why their societies are such miserable failures. The last thing they would ever want is being confronted by cartoons in a newspaper, exposing the nature of the sick pedofile Muhammed scam they based their beliefs on.
I don’t care if they’re hurt. In fact, I don’t give a flying fuck if the moslims are around at all, as long as they don’t bother me. I’m an infidel, who’s main concern is cold beer in the refrigerator on Sunday. But, if I’m getting sanctioned indirectly by the Saudi consumer and those beers are missing (in my economy) there’s a problem.
Next time The Red Cross rings the door bell announcing yet another Paki earth quake, Indonesian tsunami whatever, I just don’t have those $10 (in my heart) to give. I will just let the dogs out, or if the sun is shining do the nice thing – slam the door in their face.
Dr. Alladin #41…you’re sort of amusing too.
Saudi Arabia rich !!!! Haaa, obviously not (fact is they’re poor per persona) and you know very well the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet, giving rise to serious tensions within those economies.
You state they can get jobs. Really! Why then do they line up at our borders trying to get in….or creeping across the border in the mist of night? Get the picture! DK social welfare more attractive to them – get a life moslim.
Oil(1): you punks wouldn’t even know what it was about in the first place, if it was not for western (combustion engine) technology…or even how to get at it. In the arab mind: “If the camel can’t drink it, it must be useless”. We taught you a thing or two.
Oil(2): Denmark is a solid net-exporter of oil and gas due to the North Sea operations….$120 a barrel might not be such a bad idea for DK. Let’s go, make us even richer. OPEC is only 40% of the market, who might the rest be!
Buisness and bills: Yes, Christians stick to their obligations, and it does not have to be in writing! A hand shake one on one regarding a car costing £32.000 is a matter of honour, because there were no other witnesses. For that reason it’s a deal, but a cheat low-life moslim would never understand that concept.
I think It is wrong. and muslims must protest all over the world. it is not a matter of freedom. It has to do with ignorance. In 1970 Mohammed, the prophet of Islam was selected by Time mag as the greatest man in history. How can this status be touch by such stupid creators like cartonist. !!! one can just laugh. I am sure that Denemark will pay the price for such stupidity very soon. learnable people should condem such behavoir as its touch 1.5 billion muslims all over the world.
#40 how dare u
i have no moral ? i have more moral than you infidel probably will ever have…!
just becourse my moral isnt the same as yours , doesnt mean i dont have it or its not to regard! Muslims allways belives thay are the only ones who have the right to have moral – and a civilationen
so if the west is rich – we are infidels. if we do something that you dont like we are dedecant , and if we accept porn – we are doomed
fuck you – i like pig, i like beer and i like naked babes. I’m not a lesser person for those things – i just have a differend culture. but in your eyes i’m something completly differend – who is intollerent and who is a rasist?
once again – how come muslims in western countries are 6-20 times as often in jail compared to the people who lives in the country…?
dont speak of moral to me….
# 43
next time red cross rings my door bell i’ll surely allso go : nhaa why the fuck shouldt i help ? its not my problem
i’m starting to care less of the muslims in my country. if they can serve me a cheap kebab is ok – but i’d rather piss on em and treat em like they treat me and the rest of the native persons in my country!
they rare, steal , commit violence and yell after my sister, mother, girlfriend – well the arab do
i surely love the people from iran and turkei – but next time i see a lonly plaestenien girl, maybe i shouldt treat her like her brother treats my sister. fell her up , threaten to rape her and in the end finnish it off by yelling prostetute after her, becourse she didnt put out..
bhaaa
46# Can’t you run a debate in a professonal manner?!! Man you are terrorizing me by these words!! Please STOP or I will call the UN!!
44# said: “Saudi Arabia rich !!!! Haaa, obviously not (fact is they’re poor per persona) and you know very well the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet, giving rise to serious tensions within those economies.”
Any creditable source to support your argument?!!! Well, I think you learned in school (That if you ever had the chance to go to one) argument statment has to be supported with creditable evidence! which your statment completly missing.
44# also Said: “You state they can get jobs. Really! Why then do they line up at our borders trying to get in….or creeping across the border in the mist of night? Get the picture! DK social welfare more attractive to them – get a life moslim.”
OH for god sake tell me you’r joking when you wrote this, drunk or even your ass was stoned. Because, Saudis never need to sneak to your filthy boarder. In fact, your government kiss Saudis asses to come and spend the summer in dk so they can make some money out them. I realy don’t have the time to type all the figures that Saudies and other Gulf countires spend every year on tourism. In fact, the Saudi goverment recalled thier embassedor in dk.
Here are some links on the news and i want you to pay attention to the quoted lines after these links:
Glob and mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060126.wsaudi0126/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20060126.wsaudi0126
CBC:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/27/ap/world/mainD8FCO6K01.shtml
Here are some statment quoted from the above links:
“Danish-based Arla Foods, Europe’s largest dairy group, said Thursday it had noted sales dropping in Saudi Arabia. The company did not give any figures.”
“Saudi Arabia is one of Arla’s largest markets outside Europe. The dairy group produces cheese, milk and butter at a subsidiary in Riyadh”
And what more even interesting, I heard dk embassador to Saudi Arabia will be appoligizing to Muslims in the daily newspaper in a few days!!! I will post the link as soon as i get it.
Yeah, and about discovering the Oil, no problem we like the west to work for us came all the way to dig the whole thing down and they got paid for that.
You know something, this is just to show you that we Muslims stand for our values and our values are not money or any such things. We stand to defend a Man who have been followed by 1.6 billion of this world, and we’ll continue to stand till the last breath!
Response to # 25:
First of All, I would like to clarify that I have travelled and lived in the West for periods of time. I have made friendships and maintained relations with people from many faiths, ethnicities, and all walks of life. I have friends who are Atheists, I have friends who are Christians (many of them are Arabs), and I have a very good friend who was born Jewish married a Muslim and converted to Buddhism. And I would have never maintained those relationships had I not respected their beliefs. If a person chooses to believe in God believe in Buddha or believe that god is in his or her coffee table, or if they choose not believe in a higher power at all, it is their choice and I respect that. I am not intimidated by other people’s beliefs, and they don’t affect mine. But in the end respect is the rule of the game.
When I reply to what I perceive as an attack on my religion, obviously my response will be biased. In my eyes it is an attack on what I and every Muslim hold most dear. I perceive it as an attack on me, on my whole identity, as a Muslim. I am not here to enforce my beliefs or any beliefs on anyone. I am not here to attack anyone else’s beliefs. I am here to clarify my point of view, as a Muslim.
Islam IS about tolerance. Some Muslim’s may not be. Western democracy or beliefs, for want of a better description, are about tolerance. It does not mean everyone in the west is tolerant. I would like to correct you when you say a person can be punished in Egypt for converting from Islam, because that’s simply not true. Most Arab and Muslim countries are secular. They do not implement shari’a (Islamic Law). But then you have the argument , that I have a feeling you will reject, and that is if an American can get the death penalty for treason, it’s the same thing when it comes to Islam. Islam is a way of life, it is a country a language, it is law. I am just trying to convey another point of view.
But I disagree with you when you say that Islam can only prop it’s self up through the apparatus of the state. How do you explain the over 26 million Muslims in China, where they have been persecuted for years under the Communist party. How can you explain the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Like I said earlier, the majority of Muslims live in secular countries, and a vast amount live in countries where they are pressured to abandon their beliefs. If you are referring to Saudi Arabia, well it is the land of Islam’s two holiest sites. It is the birth place of Islam. Every Saudi Arabian is a Muslim. To Muslims it is like the Vatican, there are no mosques or synagogues or shrines in the Vatican. But people of other faiths are allowed to practice their religions in their homes compounds or places of gathering.
But again neither Saudi Arabia, nor any other Arab or Islamic country is Islam. Islam’s image has been tainted by politics, by tradition, and by a desperate oppressed people who are fighting to hold on to an identity, in the face of poverty, fanaticism, war, occupation, and oppressive governments. Muslims feel that they are being fought from the inside by a group of fanatics that believe they are the only true Muslims, and that the rest of us are infidels, and from the outside by a force that would hope to assimilate them.
We no longer know who we are. If you live in the West, like in France as an example, where the French shipped hundreds of thousands of Algerians, during the French occupation of Algeria, back to France to be labour workers. Algerians have lived there for generations, their parents know nothing about their homeland, they don’t even speak Arabic, but still cannot be truly French, and they are not truly Arabs.
And in our own countries, we dress like the west we ride your cars we eat your food, listen to your music and watch your movies, and now we are being forced to adopt the West’s so called morals and beliefs. So it is expected that our societies will cling on to anything, be it good or bad, that will give us our identity back. Even if it is a false hope.
As for religion being mediated through the people that follow it. I completely agree with that. That is why when Islam and Muslims were ‘pure‘, they brought the world Algebra, they advanced astronomy, science, they gave the world literature, poetry, architecture, the numbers you now use, and that we have now abandoned, and so much more. They lived in peace with Christians and Jews alike, they worked together in harmony.
Islam is not what we have made it out to be today, it is not a restriction but a freedom. And as I said in my previous response Muslims can only blame themselves for the state we are in today, Islam is not to blame.
Finally, as for the cartoons, it is not the silly illustrations that bother me personally, it’s their implications. They are taunts, and for many, you can only respond to taunts, by shouting back insults. Or if you have psychopathic tendencies, you send death threats.
As for the pressing issues, I wouldn’t mind discussing any other issues, be they about unemployment in the Arab world, the high rate of illiteracy, or the super-power’s rampage to remove governments that have outlived their use for them, and enforce democracy according to their specifications, or any other subject matter you would like, because believe me they are the ‘talk of the town’ in what Western media likes to call the ‘Arab street’ (as if we do not converse in our houses, or tents as some of you would like to think).
The Arab and Islamic world is being attacked on every platform, because of what a few have done. Naturally you will get people who are over defensive.
Response to #25 continued:
Oh and by the way, sorry I had to look up glasnost and perestroika. English is my second language and Russian would probably be my twelfth. Again things are changing in our part of the world. If the platform was not set up for the discussion of the cartoons and the xenophobic attack on us ‘Muzzies’. If the question was put to us in respectful way and for the purpose of having a constructive debate, then I am positive you would find that a huge amount of people would jump at the chance to have a relatively mature discussion, that might actually do us some good.
#47 You have a problem clicking on a simple link or something?
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_landes_BNP
scroll down to position 25 and tell me what it says….$$ ok. The reason you will not do so is because of your cronic state of denial and fear of the truth.
It would certainly be top news if an arab ever entered Denmark legally (if we care to accept the puto), using a real passport, travelling on a real jet and without blurting out a pack of asylum-lies, before dropping the suit case to the floor. Let it be one of those thousands of fake princes they breed in Saudi Arabia like rats, and let me see what kind of impact my size 12 shoe has when his ass is kicked so bad he stumbles right back into the 737 – and takes off + stays away for ever.
Latest news DR 1 text tv 29/1: “Invented thousands of angry moslims”.
Mullah Abu Laban and other Danish mullahs across the country invented actions groups of angry moslims, in an attempt to boost back-up of protests agains JyllandsPosten’s profet drawings.
The Council of Islamic Faith’s spokesman, Kasem Ahmed, claims to represent 200.000 moslims in DK, though a count by EkstraBladet (newspaper) reveals that the number is only 15.000
Furthermore, a number of the action groups only exist in Abu Labans fantasy, but he refuses having fiddled with membership numbers.
- One might say, the list shows the truth + sales tax, says Mr. Abu Laban in a comment.
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That junkie openly admits he lying through his teeth, as do the rest of islam’s scum bag followers. They have no place in the civilized world and that’s why islam is ultimately doomed.
Hmmm, Actually i was surfin thru the net to check out these cartoons, i was kinda alil bit ummm how to say it, uncomfortable (wont say angry or gonna threat, curse or disrespect any one of ya guyz) lets put it this way;
We’re talkin about a man “Prophet Mohammed” عليه أفضل الصلاة والسلام whom u pictured him as ragged head, chicks lover, money passionate and the rest can’t seem to be finished…
Gosh it makes me really wonder, if these civilized, educated, well informed, democracy founders and supporters, right for speech sided and so on of this fake aspects of life, would talk about him in such a disgusting way;
The main point, before u do something, make sure u do it right, how come guyz like u westerns, can’t even go thru the history n look where the hell u came from, ur origin, how ya life was, rate of killin, rappin, robery, corruption, cacogenics, illigetimic and most of all depravity.
if u wana check the history go back n read it, some of u dun even know his/her blood strains, probably his mom, sometimes “lets say most of the time” his/her father, is this a community of free reproduction process in one night stand event!!! n keep sarcasting about us guys.
How come u dun look at ur flaws, shortcomings, degredation towards this swamp of U HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY UR OWN SELVES no matter how civilized ur will be, with all ma respect u know nuthin about ISLAM, n instead of makin buffy jokes and cartoons, y u dun just try to read about it n understand wht it is !!
Denmark, country of wht 50-70 years of civilization, n look who talkin, the VIKINGS, whom tried to concur the world, conducted several inhuman activities and look whos talkin, the silly thing is that deep inside ur self , dunno wht to care, ur money , sole or wht !!
Guyz like u think of no family, materializm, n money collection would for sure understand the meaning of respect, civilization n how educated they r !!
for sure awaitin for some curses n teasin, coz simply it is the best thin u can do n really it embodies the things i was mentionin above !!
Thank you for listenin !!
lol forgot to mention, all ur justifications was terrorism, threats of death, bombing and etc….
LOOOL make sure of who the hell made this up !! for sure, we made the weapons, mass of destruction means, n alot of this source n method of killin u EDUCATED people !!
Denmark is a friend for the arabs, and the danish people are our friends, we are the arabs, we need to make friends nowadays and not to make enemies. If a cartoonist did a mistake in a paper, that does not mean that we will fight each other, these things could happen everywhere in this world.
#53
true to the word
i have ranted and raved, becourse i get angry. I dont hate muslims, but i’m just getting tired of it all
for some reason it allways seems like the muslims in the western world have a ” its us against them ” mentality.
Allso – much of the problems in the western world, regarding crime is from muslims immigrants. see fir intance denmark – where 70-80 % of all charges are brought against muslim immigrats who only are like 7-9 % of the population.
do i say that all muslims are bad ? hell no – i belive in my hart that most are normal persons who just want to live a good life – and many of the problems are becourse of a bunch of war crazy palestiens who move to us
but look at it this way – the western countries theres freedoom of speach – but everytime something does go by the muslims mind – its death threaths, it abuse, it violence
so when these drawings came in the newpaper ppl went – oh well.
and then it started…. death threath, boycot and what ever – over some stupid drawings.
then normal people like me gets mad – i mean – a muslim delegation from denmark went to egypt telling lies
telling the egypt people that denmark had made drawings of muhanmmed gettting fucked by a pig – that the koran was about to be published as a censored version and such lies ! but just make the situation more crazy
lets have a debate – and not resort to violence. but see at this forum where a muslim says that we must be animals , subtle threats and such
sometimes i get really really angry – becourse u see. if i pay alot of tax and alot of MY TAX goes to a bunch of immigrants who dont want to learn the launges, dont want to be integrated, just take my money and become criminals – you tend to generelize
have you ever tryed to live a place where your sister and girlfriend gets to be called prostetute all the time they wander into muslim areas ? or if you are out a night getting beaten up, robbed and threaten by knife just becourse u wander into a muslim area ?
or what about beeing afraid to say what u think – becourse it couldt upset a muslim, and theres a good probability that he will hit you ?
can u understand why people in the western world not allways look at islam as tolerent – becourse we never see it. We only see it get worse, and we see that what we wouldt think of normal education and behavor just doesnt work for them – at least in our country.
and why is it it seems that muslims think that their moral is teh only true one ?
i mean – if islam was so tolerent – why is it that every time a muslim speaks up about the western world, then we are in decay, we are filthy people who only thinks of momey and pornolized ?
we have tons of moral , and culture – its just very differend from the muslim way – but again – they dont see it – we are just filthy infidels
so next time red cross comes by becourse something happens in a muslim country – i’ll still think deep and hard – weather i think they deserve my hard earned money – as i’m just a filthy infidel
if the muslim world just couldt become less extreme, and more friendly.
i cant see why there shouldt be so much trouble
why does the state of isreal have be be removed ? dont we all have a right to live ? why does the iranien president question holocaust ? thats just plain stupid and for all i care we shouldt never have anything to do with them as long as they belive in that
the same goes for palestina – close the borders and build the damn wall – let isreal remove all troops and lets em sort out all their problems – when Hamas then say they work for peace – then we can start trading again
50# let me rephrase it for you, you said “the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet” Hmmm, does that link suppor this statment??!! Well, let’s see now who’s in cronic stat of twisting truth, and by the way When you say ARAB, you are not offending me!! because I am not Arab and in fact about 85% of Muslims are not Arab, there are many Christian and Jews who are Arab. Even Muslims who are Arab are not offended when you talk about Arab becuase they belong to Islam more than Arab. A Muslim is my brother, regardless what country he/she comes from, or what sktin color he/she has. Unlike Christianity nowadays it depends on what color your skin is or what part of the world you come from.
53# Probably dk is a friend for you in your humble mind, but in NO WAY they are friend of Islam. We don’t need to make friends with Pegs, our Number is growing as ISLAM IS THE FASTEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD according to western statistics!!(H) like or not dk people, The time will come when these pegs bow for us to have some mercy on them. They knocked on the door first and soon they will hear their answer, Sure they will not have good dreams as they used to before. At that time, apologies have no place.
My Nozoor again
It is a waste of time to discuss things with u
I have a relative who lived in USA, he said that if a car crash happend, the first muslim police men will meet will be the cause, and if there were no muslim, then it should be a black man…
Talking about the Palestinian… give them back there land I and take the Jews and israelis instead of them… The Jews are fine, they learn fast.. and sson the will control ur economy.. and you’ll find ur self – Just like the Americans- paying taxes to establish and maintain thier dreams of the ” Promised land”!!! that will be Denemark by then!!
See u!
Dear Sirs ,
Which law , or right you have to hurt the feelings of 1.2 billion Muslims all over the world .Your right to express whatever you want unless you hurt the others !Look what freedom and moderenization you brought to your society ! No more marriage in your chuches.Now a man is married to a man , a woman is married to a woman ! and you see that it is freedom ! Ar’nt you Christians ? Don’t you believe in God ? Muslims are human beens and they believe in God same as every real Christian , and Jew .Hope to be nice and appologize for what you did ! Ali ( Muslim from Palestine )
FOR ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK AS THESE PEOPLE WHO DREW THESE UN DESCRIBABLE CARTOONS OF PROPHET MOHAMMED PBUH, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT U HAVE NO SENSE OF RESPECT TO ANYONE .. ISLAM ISNT ABOUT WAR OR TERROR .. TERRORISTS ARE USING ISLAM AS A THEME TO HIDE THEIR REAL INNER SELVES. U PEOPLE DONT KNOW A THING ABOUT ISLAM. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOULD TRY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT ISLAM AND THEN U WILL REALISE THAT UR WRONG.
what is wrong with a man married to man or a women married to a women ?
so what if people dont get married in a church – they do in the city hall !
and so what ! what has that to do with any thing ?????
once again – dont u see that that has notthing to do with anything ?
just becourse our culture and our state of mind says something else that yours , doesnt mean it bad !
but u allways say – look – man on man, porn, alcohol what ever!
just becourse you belive that its bad – doesnt mean we have to or its infact a bad thing!
why do you allways want your norm and your way of thinking to be the only right one ????
and show me proof that thers a god and we can start talking – for me the bible and the koran is just one big book of story telling – and shouldt be put under fiction in the book store!
and how can some drawings hurt people ? come on!
and so what if they hurt someone – thats the right to express what you feel!
dont mistake freedom of speech to freesdom of speach BUT without hurting a single one
then you couldt say or do anything.
Any day i wouldt prefer our way of living to the pakistainen, iranin, palestien or saudi way of living.
rather life in a world, where you can live as you want without been forced like women do those countries mentioned. thats not a civilized way of living
getting wiped 200 times for gibing birth outside marrige … a girl whos physic ill and very stpied -getting hanged. girls getting raped as payback for other rapes. Women getting hanged, for killing their husbands while he tryed to kill them
i say – you are infidels
#26: Your assertion that Christians “the don’t -deeply- feel that there is a real human being called Jesus” is simply not true. What you seem incapable of understanding is that not all westerners are Christians.
To answer the rest of your questions…
“Can any News Paper Publish Fun cartoons about Moses?”
Jesus is far more important to Christians than Moses. So if Jesus can be mocked, then there is no reason why Moses cannot.
“Can Any News paper question the fake number of Jews killed by Hetler ?”
What fake number? The reason that newspapers don’t question the Holocaust is that they tend to be interested in uncovering the truth – unlike a certain Iranian president I could mention.
“Can Any Body talk about the Crimes commited by Israel or question what is going on in Palestine!”
Yes they can. See here and here and here and here and here and here. And the list goes on.
You can say what you like about Jews in France, but you can’t threaten them. The same is true for Muslims.
#30: If you called on muslims to “fight against America and her allies” then you may well face prosecution for inciting violence. You wouldn’t be “thrown into a prison, tortured and killed” because a civilised country, such as Denmark, will recognise your right to defend yourself in court.
#39: You ask, “What will happen to me when I go to the centre square in Copenhagen, dressed as a Pig and decorated with the Star of David?”
The answer: nothing at all will happen to you.
#56: When you say, “The Jews are fine, they learn fast.. and sson the will control ur economy,” you completely discredit anyone who claims that Islam is anything other than an intolerant and racist theology.
#57: So what else did freedom and modernisation bring?
Here’s an answer for you…
Are we Back into the Vikings Era?!
I was observing with great dismay the pity and shock in the faces and souls of the majority peaceful, ordinary, Moslems due to the “civilized” and “free” filth in the Danish newspapers, and later on in the Norway’s, about Prophet Mohammed and Moslems.
While doing so, I was incidentally reading the dark history of your ancestors, the pagan Vikings, who raided and looted most of Western Europe between the 8th and the 11th centuries. In fact, I just compared your grandfather’s history at that period with the history of Islam. Shockingly, I found that all the Scandinavian people were barely walking animals when Prophet Mohammed enlightened the entire world, early in the 7th century, with the most civilized message and teachings ever.
Therefore, I am writing to you as a Moslem who used to be a “moderate Moslem” but is seriously considering to be another Bin Laden, as is the case with so many Moslems around the globe today.
I just keep wondering why you, the people of the west, tend and claim to be “scientific”, “civilized”, and “fair” in studying everything, but when it comes to Islam, you ignore all your claims and blindly leave them behind?!
Did your “gang” journalists, cartoonists, or even your closed-minded governments, ever try to be scientific or civilized when analyzing Islam or the life of Prophet Mohammed?!
Did they ever understand what civilization is?!
Civilization is not just knowing how to process cheese or manufacture some goods, furniture, or equipment.
Rather, civilization is, most importantly, the real strive to be fair, humble, compassionate, and, at the minimum, logical and scientific in analyses and judgment of others.
What hurts the feelings of every Moslem on earth is the fact that your stupid journalists and politicians are pushing us extremely hard to stop being “moderate”, while unfairly accusing Islam and Prophet Mohammed of being a source of terrorism.
When a Moslem sees your representation of “moderate Moslems” in one of your stupid the caricatures, he/she must think repeatedly NOT to be a “moderate Moslem” any further. So, who is the source and agitator of terrorism?! (The cartoon shows a Moslem prostrating, with his forehead on the ground, and two “civilized” “Vikings” looking at him and asking one another: is he praying to Mecca?! Then the other said laughingly: No, he is burying his head in the sand! The cartoon shows the Moslem with the phrase “Moderate Moslem” written on his ass!)
In addition, when it comes to the European bloody history compared to the entire world, well-documented figures tell the full truth. You, the “civilized” Europeans killed in less than 200 years much more than what all other societies killed in 5000 years! Just remember how many you, the “civilized Europeans”, killed of innocent people everywhere during the 20th century alone!
Surprisingly, you always, and in every occasion, claim shamelessly that you are “peaceful” “Christians”!
Did Jesus teach you to kill more than 30 million people in just one century? If so, then Christianity must be the bloodiest religion on earth. Otherwise, since Jesus never called for any such thirst for blood, you must not be Christians nor shall you twist the truth and accuse the most peaceful religion, Islam, of being the source of all terror on earth!
Not only that, but you falsely claim that you promote and protect the freedom of speech and worship.
Alas, you do so just when it serves your ill and bloodthirsty personalities and fake, naked, “civilization”.
Just as a simple example, consider what will happen if someone would dare to express any little doubts, in your media, about the extent of the exaggerated Holocaust, regardless of how authentic, scientific, and peaceful his/her argument is. On the other hand, consider the extremely limited freedom of Moslem women to cover their heads with humble scarves in the west. Or consider the freedom of a Moslem to speak against the prevailing western culture, even if he/she does so with full wisdom and professionalism!
I know that you would say: if you do not like our culture, then do not come to our society. That is fair, but you do not stop there, unfortunately!
You are in fact, the “civilized Europeans”, intermingling with all our affairs under the faked covers of “freedom”, “human rights”, “women rights”, “dogs rights”, “insects rights”, and “everything-except-Moslems rights”. On the other hand, you do not accept, or even imagine, that we have the rights to object, try to preserve our cultural identity, or even defend our selves against your intermingling and bloody aggressions!
Can’t you leave our culture, our Prophet, and us alone, if you cannot be fair and civilized enough?!
Can’t you try, at least once, to be fair and logical in understanding our culture, the dreams of our innocent children, and the worries and struggles we encounter as human beings like you?!
Just to cite an ongoing example, don’t you fell ashamed when you compare what the dictator Saddam Hussein did in Iraq with what you, the “civilized Europeans” did in the same country?
It is true that he was bloody and killed thousands. However, you “western” “civilized” “Christians” killed at least hundreds of thousands in Iraq and imprisoned the entire country, with the false claim that you came to free them?! Perhaps to free them of their dignity and lives?!
I know you would say: it is the Americans who did all that! Nevertheless, don’t forget that they share with you the same thinking, the same culture, and the same worldview. They are basically people who came from Europe and inherited all your diseases. You are simply the same; you are the same “western” “civilized” “Christians”!!
To be fair, I admit that there are western, Christian or Jewish people who are really civilized, humble, fair, and act ethically, like Robert Fisk of the UK, Naom Chomsky of the US, and John Esposito of the US, among others. However, these are very limited in numbers and influence and are exposed to hardship by your “free” civilization one way or the other.
Please leave us alone, or otherwise the revenge would be so immense that you cannot cope with it when it knocks your doors.
Just remember; you are simply creating millions of Bin Laden, whom you know very well.
And remember; weak doesn’t remain always weak and strong doesn’t remain always strong!
Moslems are awakening everywhere, partly due to your stupid actions and intermingling. Hence, one day, they will take their revenge, if you do not deal with them NOW with respect and fairness. And the revenge, if you keep charging us, will be beyond your stupid immagination!
Finally, I find it ethically a must to warn you that everybody outside your cultural domain see what is going on as a clear indication of the disastrous decline of your ill, naked, crime-based, drug-based, materialistic, and unethical “civilization”, if you still have any at all!
i’ve been sick and tired from what people in europe and america think about islam …always wanted them to see us in the right way always want them to belive that we are not terrorists …i always hated what osama ben laden do …..BUT after what happend from Jyllands-Posten i don’t care about what you think any more ..just stay as you are blinded keep beliving your own lies …. keep the rage and terror go more ….i ‘m starting to belive that you deserve it ..i don’t care any more about what you think of us ( muslims) but from now and on no more dealing with denemark . and no more dealing with any one who dosn’t respect us .
apparently a Man with the Name Abu Fucking Laban a danish fucking fake Iman went to the midlle east to tell lies about denmark, that is what this about. Abu Laban is shit. Fuck him
let me say the same to you # 61 and # 62
do your islamic brothers treat us with respect in our own countries ?????
I ask as its a well defined problem we have in the west with islam – immigrants are 500 – 2000% more criminals here – so dont preach about respect and islam
we see how muslims behave here – and ofcourse many makes up their mind from that!
and i still fell its a stupid conflict – its drawings and it legal in the west. dont like it – ok thats fair. but to be outraged thats just stupid.
no make a dialog or shut up. so many yell kill kill kill – jihad and what ever. so how shouldt we look at your culture again ? when thats what we see and hear ?
i still belive we shouldt be able to live side by side without problems.
but as i have said before and as #69 and #68 clearly shows, your moral and cultural thinking IS NOT the truth.
just becourse we do things one way, and belive in something completly else – doesnt make us a civilization in decay or infidels.
its like trying to compare a appel and a airplane – but i often see muslims thinking that their word is the only way – and cant even comprehend that we think in a differend way – BUT you still demand that we try and see it from your point of view.
and again threats… and bla bla i’m going fanatic and we are new osma
og – congratz to you
u want to become a islamic fundamentalist and live like you did 1500 years ago ? good for you then – go toss out the televsion and go buy a goat and cover your wife and girls.
i’d bet your will be more happy if you let every one express their thoughs and state of mind – but thats my humble opion
want to be a new osama bin laden ? well ok once again congratz – keep it up and the west will fully and completly isolate the arabic states and then you can live without all the goods from the west…
and ofcourse commit suicide by a suicide bomb… wow great way of spending your life.
why not spend your life trying to make your country more lovly by apealing for understanding and trust all countries among ? or work towards a country where all are in job, all get an education so the country can be rich for all ?
well still just my humble opinion
wow and now they are burning the danish flag
I truly wonder who the muslim world wouldt look at us if we did like muslims allways do.
say i called all muslims infidels, called for the destruction of palesteine, burned their flag, and started an organisation who trained suicide bombers to go to Hebron ? and if we started a boycot becourse theres no christian churces, demanded all muslims in my country to drink alcohol and wear our type of clothes?
what i’m saying is – start treating us like you wouldt like to be treated
and try and look at how your so called brothers in our countries behave and how muslims send messages to the west – before yellling and crying about it.
wonder if theres a reason to the way some people in the west look at Islam ?
i bet theres a very very very good reason.
muslims are so arrogant , we all have fairy tales but we don’t care if they take it seriously or not and we don’t mind if they do at home but they have to understand we don’t care for islam and the primordial living , this is our home and we do as we please. We don’t ask for Saudi women to get a bikini and enjoy life or the Iranian not to genuflect continuously, but don’t come here and tell us what to do!!!!
Replay to 66#
WE didn’t the Animalism in your country – I mean having sex without Marriage or Homosexal Laws — we discuss what belongs to Us
Ur media try to show us as ignorant People who lead a life similar to life 500 years before….Ur media tries to Deform Islam and muslims, and tries to encourage Hatred towards Muslims…that is what we are against…. but we don’t care if ur have any moralitite sor believe in any High ethics or not… We know that family relationship …Believing in God…believeing in any thing that is realted to civilized world is not a part of ur culture… and we don’t care a bit..live as ur cows live ..not a problem for us… but when talking about us..never try to show us they in a deformed way…
Now..u say we are ignoant… how many Arab commented in this page? how many non-english speaker Muslim ? I am sure that many of them speaks another language (I speak turkish as awell as Arabic and English).. Now how many of u speak Language other than English??
I doubt it!
As you might have heard Denmark has the last few days been boycotted by some of the Middle Eastern countries. The reason being are some illustrations published in a Danish independent newspaper back in September last year.
The illustrations are sketches that are about the prophet Mohammed, who means a lot to Muslims. Apparently in the Koran it says you are not allowed to picture Mohammed.
The reason why the illustrations were made are that a children’s book writer wanted to do a write a children’s book about the Koran in pictures, he then needed to have someone to illustrate Mohammed. In the beginning no one would do that since in the Koran you are not allowed to picture that man.
The Danish News Paper Jylland Posten (JP) therefore found this very strange. Fearing that freedom of speech was suffering as a result, JP asked 40 caricaturists to depict Muhammed. Only 12 replied, and 2 were not of the prophet.
The caricatures were then published alongside an article regarding the erosion of free speech and self-censorship. It would have been silly for the paper to talk about freedom of speech and self-censorship, and at the same time practice self-censorship.
The whole affair was started when the newspaper learned people were censoring themselves with regards to Islam.
The newspaper has stated, from day of this affair, that it regrets if peoples feelings were hurt by the cartoons, it was not its intent. It does not, however, apologize for publishing them. Nor should it.
The Middle Eastern Countries has asked for an apology from the Danish government. The Middle Eastern countries argue that the Danish government is representing the Danish News media. This is of course not true and the Danish Prime Minister cannot apologize for something he is not responsible for. The Middle eastern countries expect further that the Danish Government condemn and punish the Danish newspaper JP.
Of course in a country with freedom of speech our government cannot do this. To punish a Danish News Paper is against our main law. A Danish journalist job is to be critical to what is going in the world; they have the right to write everything what they would like to write about.
There can be many reasons why some Middle Eastern countries are boycotting Denmark; first they do not accept that other countries in the world have freedom of speech. Another thing could be that some Danish Imams have been visiting the Middle Eastern countries and told lies about Denmark to make it much worse than it actually is. Their mission worked very well, now loads of Middle Eastern countries are boycotting Denmark, sending their ambassadors home from Denmark, burning our flag. This is all because of some drawings and included the many lies from the Danish Imams
Loads of Danish companies are now in deep trouble because of the boycott. What do a Danish Cow that produced milk and Butter to the Middle East have to do with a newspaper and their publishing of some drawing,s I would say nothing but the middle eastern people argue they have got connections. The problem is that loads of Muslims are mixing up to o many things. In Kuwait they are arguing that all Danish companies that are in Kuwait should apologize for the drawings before Kuwait will stop boycotting us.
Lets stay together as Europeans fight for the freedom of speech. This could be done by boycotting the Middle Eastern countries or just to send their governments some e-mails that tells how silly and childish they are acting, because of some drawings.
first of all
the drawings was ONE newspapers work!
second – the danish newspapers NEVER speak bad about the muslim world
NO they defend the muslims. the conflict in palesteine is allways spoken good about – the danish goverment post millions of dollars in the area to help the muslims build a better world for them self
now we see that they burn flags and bouycot danish products … becourse of a stupid newspaper…. AND ONLY ONE newspaper.
the danish goverment has no comment towards this matter – as they HAVE to defend the freedom of speech as its in the constitution. As they say – the newspaper can print what ever they want, but under the law. So if anyone has a problem – go to the court as the goverment CANT do anything or shouldnt do anything
i think its stupid – and yes it is igorent as we today have seen muslims calling danish people for animals and basterds becourse of the drawings… EVENTHOUGH its not what the danish population or the danish goverment think and feels – its one fricking newspaper
one note to #68
in denmark Arlas problems might mean that 150 people loose their job
in the middel east Arlas problems might mean that 2000 people living in saudi arabia or other middel eastern areas, loose their job.
Salam.
Let me say, I did feel slightly insulted by those 12 drawings, but that is the European way, to tease and taunt, and it is not done out of a burning hate for the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) or us common Muslims. Do I think it was uncalled for? Perhaps, they knew they would make some people angry, but unscrupulous individuals have completely hijacked the issue to serve their own cause.
#61. And MUDIR GARNI, a moderate brother are you? Regarding your Bin Laden remark, are you trying to justify potential terrorism because of 12 insignificant drawing in an insignificant newspaper in an insignificant country? Really now, I do not care about Denmark, or most of Europe for that matter, but this overreaction is embarrassing. Oh, and Mudir Garni, you need to get your facts right, those despicable drawings you mention were NOT in the newspaper. Don’t let your obvious hate cloud your judgement, and that goes to my other brothers and sisters as well. Do not let the despot rulers divert our attention from other matters by blowing this issue out of proportion. Feeling angry? Send some warm clothes to Pakistan and Afghanistan, they need it, that should get your mind off a silly non-believer newspaper trying to cause a local sensation. There are far more pressing issues out there, brothers and sisters.
Peace.
Dear everyone.
Because of these drawings of Muham mad!, Denmark has the entire muslim world against us.
Let me tell you how things are in Denmark!
IN Denmark we spend 7 billions euros on integrating muslims immigrants each year! Each year. We give you citizenship, because you come here as victims of terror and war. your own!
Are you out of a job. YOu are paid uinemployment money just as any other dane. You have children. We pay you child money. You need to go to the doctor. We pay your doctor!
If a muslim man wants to date a danish woman, the woman must convert to islam if they gonna marry. If a danish guy dates a muslim girl. They will both be killed!
IN Denmark we have freedom of speech. Therefore Hibtus tahir is allowed to express their views, even though they say that jews should be killed anywhere they can find them. Hibutz tahir is a racist organisation! Denmark is not a racist nation nor is Jyllandsposten racist in any way.
To all you muslims out there.
Globalization is here. It is the 21st century. The world is changing, and we must change with it! We are humans and we must live like humans, what else can we do.
Islam is a religion that demands that muslims do not be human. Countless rules must be followed, turning people into not humans.
The muslim world do not produce anything except oil, opium, heroine and a few desert fruits! You dont make cars, computers, telephones, airplanes, any tecnological product that we might buy! All you into id islam!
The muslim world dont do nothing but keep the peoples in the chains of islam. Their mind are programmed and controlled immaculately by somebodys hand, that wrote a book centuries ago! What a feat!
Where is your common sense. You never had any. WHere is a muslims own thinking. You never tried. Where ´s a musims own will power. You are not individuals like us in the west, so u dont have any will power of your own. Muslims act as one big single entity of consciousness!
Why do you then come to the west! To take us over, because your Crazy Prophet demands you to do so?
What we are witnessing is the end of the muslim culture. Your children will revolt against you.
Muslims brought upon Europe a great headache! Soon the bubble will burst. Let´s not hope it be in the image of Yugoslavia!
Israel has the balls that Europe sure hell dont have..
Come on free world. America go. Go the free world. And we are under siege. But little muslim. We have the technology that it takes. Thank you America.
Islam will never win. It has allready died!
#67 You said: We know that family relationship …Believing in God…believeing in any thing that is realted to civilized world is not a part of ur culture…
What a load of BS. And you wonder why we call you ignorant and uncivilized? Family is important to most people in the west and religion is important to many people in the west. Just because we are not fanatics such as you, doesn’t mean we dont believe and rely on family and our religion(s).
Someone else mentioned (do not recall what post #) how money is all that concerns us ‘westeners’. That is totally BS too.
I am Danish, I do not live in Denmark though. I am a mom and a wife. My husband and I have chosen for me to stay home and take care of our kid. Regardless of how little money he makes to support us. Our priorities are our family, the wellfare of our kid, education, and safety from fanatics.
As for ignorance… In Denmark it is mandatory for kids to learn at least 3 languages in grade school. Including Danish. Many kids choose to learn more than those 3 mandatory languages. When I went to school many years ago, I was taught the 3 mandatory languages, plus 3 other languages that I had to learn to read, and 1 voluntary language. So dont pull the ignorance card on any Dane. Besides, ignorance has nothing to do with how many languages you speak. Ignorance is lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. In this case you are ignorant of how westeners live or what the priorities of westeners are.
When was the last time you came to a western country, stayed for an extended period of time to learn our culture and ways of life? If you say never, then dont preach about how we dont believe in a religion or have family as a priority. I do not claim to know much about your ways of life in your country, but I did grow up in a peaceful Denmark. It was safe to walk in the streets after dark. Then Denmark allowed in a lot of immigrants from the middle-east and suddenly you couldnt walk in the streets without being grabbed, yelled at, spit at, or in the worst case raped or in other ways violated. Sure there are Danish criminals too, but take a look at some of the #’s that have been posted at this board. Foreigners take up the majority of the prison population.
Seriously, instead of sending foreigners to prison in Denmark for commiting a crime on Danish soil or against the people, they should just be sent back to where they came from. I dont care if they came to Denmark (or any other country) to seek political asylum. If they cant live by the laws, send them back and let their own country deal with the criminal scum.
As I said before I do not live in Denmark, and as an immigrant in my new country I see it as my duty to adapt to this new country. I am not saying I changed my religion etc. but I do have to follow the laws and social rules of this new country. And I believe that anyone who moves to a new country should do the same. If you move to Denmark, live by their rules and social laws. If a news paper writes an article about a subject that offends you, then dont buy the news paper. Sure you are allowed to express your dismay, but no need for threatening people. What you do behind your own closed door is up to you (as long as it is not breaking the laws).
Denmark, as most civilized countries, has freedom of speech. This doesnt mean you can go say to someone that you are going to kill them. That is not freedom of speech, that IS an act of violence, even if you do not act upon it.
Again in reply to a post I do not recal the # of: Contrary to ‘your’ beliefs, the Danish legal system do not torture or execute criminals. Although in certain circumstances it probably wouldnt be a bad idea.
And last… Reply to post #35. Denmark is a monarchy. We do not have a president. Now that is ignorance. If you dont have a clue who and what you are talking about then dont say anything at all.
Thanks for reading and I am ready for the death threats now
Everyone,
I am a non-muslim living in the Middle East, and I love it. I feel safer here than anywhere else in the world and I have had more spirited, intelligent religious debate here than anywhere else.
I would like to say that you are all correct.
The newspaper can publish anything it likes because it has a right to under the principle of freedom of speech, which should be cherished at all costs. However, with rights come weighty responsibilities. Just because US citizens have the right to own a gun, doesn’t mean they should!
A freedom merely opens up the possibility for you to make a choice. If I don’t like someone, I can tell them or I can walk away.
In this case the newspaper made a choice that I’m sure it is now regretting. It is seeing the consequences for it’s actions that it must have foreseen. This is how freedom works. Freedom does not mean that anyone can do whatever they want without consequences.
The country of Denmark is right in upholding free speech, but the newspaper made the wrong decision. Newspapers should be about news. This was simply ignorance-driven shit.
The newspaper will suffer because it made the wrong decision, that is freedom. The country will suffer because of the stupidity of others.
Peace.
peace you do not know the whole story
With so much said here and else where, some of which I may add HORRIFIC, I just have one thought.. Is there nothing off-limits or sacred these days? While I may agree/support freedom of speech, I find that it has gone too far, ridiculing everyone and everything, to an extent I find unacceptable.
I know alot of you have said that actions are condemned but speech is allowed, but I believe sometimes you can hurt someone by what you say more than by what you do. Having said that, Prophets Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, and all the others peace be upon them have long gone and cannot be hurt by what anyone says, but have we lost all decency in the name of free speech to insult whomever we want, in whatever way we want.
Just something to think about.
Hi all
After i have read most of the post here on this side, i get a scary wiev of some people and their “ignorant” oppinions.
First of all “freedom of speech” is the most important subjekt in a democratic society. If you didn’t have freedom of speech things would soon look like north korea where everything is censoured, ofcourse it doesnt always go as bad as north korea, but think about it. The state minister of Denmark can’t say that Jyllands posten can’t post these pictures, because jyllands posten is using its freedom of speech. So even though many people dont like what jyllands posten is doing(including danes) they have a right to say what they want and mean unless it doesn’t treathen another person, a musslim in denmark could do the same thing and post pictures of a burning danebrog and look at the reaktion of the danes.
The thing which surprices me the most about this thing is the media coverage it has acquired. Afrika.. where millions of people die every day dont get ANY attension at all . It seems to me that extremists on both sides, the muslim and the western side, is using this insident to get people from europe and arabia to hate each other more and more, it also seems like people these days are looking for more conflicts.
Plz dont let this conflict excalate further. its twelve pictures………. if i were a muslim i would laugh and think they arent very clever at jyllands posten i wont have anything to do with em no more, at least if you cant let this case blow over boycut jyllands posten they were the ones posting the pictures not the danish government.
Btw all of you who have claimed that you can build a democratic contry without freedom of speech, i would very much like to hear how because i surely havent seen any good examples yet.
Peace out, hope i didn’t offend anyone, but if i did use your freedom of speech and argue against me.
it is very sad to know that there are people in Denemark who does not knw how to respect others. It would be understandable if some uneducated people attacked the prophet(SAAW), but it is influebtial people who did that. And then they say freedom of speec. I wonder if the newspaper would allow an article that claims that the holocast never existed to be published. I doubt that. Oh well, this goes to prove that we muslims know how o respect others more than the Danish peple. I also call on all muslims to boycott this country;
#78
have you read anything above your own post ?
now we go again – we muslims know how to respect more than anyone else
please read from the top and down and i’ll surly tell you that the muslims are not better than anyone… facts above.
and your statement abour if a newpaper couldt deny holocast – hmmm i guess they couldt, but that wouldt be telling LIES – as holocost is a fact. only the muslim world seems to deny it – have you ever seen the pictures and movies from 1945 ???
and i argue – why boycot a country for the doing s of a newspaper ?
so i shouldt boycot your country if one of your newspapers does something i dont like ?
come on ! thats stupid.
if it where the danish goverments politic – yeah sure – but its not. the danish goverment post MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into palesteine every year to help the muslim population – and you say boycott the country for something the newspaper did
please rethink and then respond again alaeddin
I think it is a pity for all the saudis that have converted from camel milk to Cow Milk. they now have to go back to camel milk again. sinse they are boycutting arla and denmark
latest news
the trade commision just told the saudi goverment that any boycott of danish goods are a boycott of ALL EU goods, and they will act on this… damn…
and a quote from closer – that gives a good perspective:
By Mona Eltahawy
Can we finally admit that Muslims have blown out of all proportion their outrage over 12 cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad published in a Danish newspaper last September?
In the latest twist, both the Organization for the Islamic Conference and the Gulf Cooperation Council condemned a Norwegian newspaper for reprinting the drawings – a decision the publication defended as protecting freedom of expression. Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador from Denmark for “consultations” and Iraqis called in sermons and demonstrations for an investigation into the Danish and Norwegian publications that published the cartoons.
The initial printing of the cartoons in Denmark led to death threats being issued against the artists, demonstrations in Kashmir, and condemnation from 11 countries. What did any of this achieve but prove the original point of the newspaper’s culture editor, that artists in Europe were censoring themselves because they feared Muslim reaction? He commissioned the cartoons after hearing that Danish artists were too scared to illustrate a children’s book about the prophet.
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While one cartoon was particularly offensive because it showed the prophet as wearing a turban with a bomb attached to it, a great deal of the anger had to do with the mere depiction of the prophet. Muslims seem to forget that just because they are prohibited from representing the prophet in any way, this does not apply to everybody else. Even with regards to the egregious cartoon showing the prophet with a bomb, Muslim reaction was exaggerated. This should have remained an internal Danish issue. Muslim groups in Denmark have been pursuing a legal course and have vowed to appeal a prosecutor’s refusal to file charges against the newspaper.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen was right not to intervene, insisting the government has no say over media – the argument used by Arab leaders when they are asked about anti-Semitism in their media, by the way. But in a New Year’s speech, Rasmussen condemned “any expression, action or indication that attempts to demonize groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic background
please pay attention to this phrase :
“… was right not to intervenm ubsisting the government has no say over media – THE ARGUMENT USED BY ARAB LEDERS WEN THEY ARE ASKED ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM IN THEIR MEDIA”
wow does that prove a dobbel standard here ?
seems so in deed.
so mr #78 and others – who is it that your SO good and we are so bad – come again
Again, Why ISLAM is FASTEST growing religion in the WORLD????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
is it ?
says who ? wiki isnt a trust worthy source, as anyone can edit anything without beeing controlled by a mod
why ? i donno… i wouldt never go that way
First of all id like to say that I have no religious preferences.
In Denmark people are allowed to say what they want about who they want. Freedom of speech.
What the muslims all over the world has to realise, is that the release of this comic strip, represents the view of one man only. Its not every single Dane who has contributed into making these drawings.
So why start boycotting Danish derry products and so on. Its not them who has made the drawings!
You’r punishing innocent people!
I dont understand whats going on inside peoples heads. Religion is a fucked up thing.
Ok, this is really stupid. Who cares if the Prophet is shown as a turban wearing ticking time bomb? People threw garbage at him he passed them with a smile. Why would this offend him? He spend his whole life controlling his nafs. Jerry Falwell has already called him a pedaphile, whihc is much worse. This is just anti-semitism and actually not very funny.
However, I support the right for anyone to call Muhammed a terrorist, Jesus Gay, Buddha a deadbeat dad and Moses impotent.
As a Muslim, I am ashamed that our ummah has protested the publications of these cartoons more then the US led invasion of Iraq!
As a Canadian Muslim the only things I have been able to gather from the actions of the newspaper in Denmark are, A) Instigation can work wonders and B) I dont think me, or my friends will bother ever visiting Denmark (How ever beautiful it may be). Atleast not until its obvious the people there are really the open minded people they claim to be.
Freedom of speech is one thing. Making offensive cartoons, that are published in a National Newspaper, that have a VERY strong racial undertone is another!
In Europe and America, in fact all over the Globe, Islam is the IN subject to talk about. Since September the 11th, Islam and Muslims have been attacked on every media platform. People have been discussing Islam, and talking out about EVERY single aspect of Islam. From Hijab (The act of a woman covering her head), to capital punishment. Almost every single newspaper in the West has written an article that might be considered offensive to Muslims. No one got angered or boycotted these countries.
We don’t care what people have to say about our countries or about us as Muslims. Most of us believe that people attack what they don’t know, and that goes for both sides. Most of us couldn‘t care less that some of you look down upon us, or still think like your Imperialist ancestors.
What some people don’t seem to understand is, that these cartoons were particularly offensive for what they IMPLIED.
Let’s say an Arab newspaper chose to portray an Hasidic Jew, as an animal with horns. Or the Pope as a beast with a pig snout. If it won’t offend those of you who are not religious or do not follow those faiths, it will surely offend those who do!
For heaven’s sake, when a woman journalist wrote an article in a Saudi Arabian Newspaper, saying that Jews drank blood and slept with their daughters (or something to that tone), the American government got involved, and the woman was stopped from writing , in Saudi Arabia! The most anti-Zionist country in the world! Some will say there is no freedom if speech in Saudi Arabia, fine. But why would the so called torch bearer of global freedom the United Stated of America have an uproar about it? Surely they exist purely to teach us, the uncivilised world what freedom of speech is. But in the end the article had just gone too far.
Let’s say that even if those who are religious do not get offended. Muslims definitely do. And that is what counts. The editor of the Newspaper knew that, for a FACT. They knew that the easiest way to offend us and taunt us, was to use what we hold most sacred and dear. What other purpose could these cartoons have been run in a National Newspaper for 7 days in a row? It definitely was not to bridge the gap between East and West, or to stop innocent people getting killed in senseless acts of violence.
And although some of you think that we are too stupid a people to understand these implications, we do.
The cartoons where published to offend. That was the only purpose. They were definitely not there to congratulate the Muslim minority of Denmark on the Holy month of Ramadhan!
The point is: If these cartoons where shown in an art gallery, or a magazine for instance, they would have been taken for what they were. But since they were run in a National newspaper, that is apparently linked to the ruling Party in Denmark, it makes it a whole different ball game. They were not political cartoons depicting fat Arab politicians, jeering while sitting on their oil barrels. They were cartoons of the prophet of over a billion people!
If Denmark has a problem with the people that flock there from the Middle East, and get financial benefits, or with some fanatic who killed a film director. Then it should feel free to criticise all it likes. It’s their problem. But you do not insult a whole Faith for the actions of some people who acted like psychopaths while living in your country! Anyone with half a mind would realise this is not so much a problem of faith it is more of a SOCIAL problem.
If the West has demanded our leaders in the Arab world stop the Imam’s of mosques from preaching hatred, which is a command that most of us are glad to see implemented, why not start with yourselves?
Finally, JYLLAND POST newspaper has bowed to Saudi Arabia
The President of the newspaper has send an appology to Saudi Arabia on the front page of the newspaper on the Interent http://www.jp.dk/ and posted a copy in Arabic version for the Saudis to read it
. Now, someone wonders why the appology came out to Saudi Arabia?!! THE ANSWER IS $$$$ As i said earlier they can live without a religion but they can never live without Money. So 50# you said earlier that the Saudi boycott can’t affect dk will THERE YOU GO!! I told you just give it sometimes, One problem here I am not satisfied untill the applogy is directed to every Single Muslim in the whole world and translated in every language spoken by Muslims
http://www.jp.dk/
or
http://jyllands-posten.com
JyllandsPosten bowed to nothing…Alladin!
What they have done is wasting money in Saudi Media trying to explain sand blasted moslim minds what this is about, and it’s 4th time in vain.
It’s impolite to post links in an English-based “shout-box” (sorry Paul) that only comes in Arab or Danish. I made the translation and have a hard time finding any apology in it – look for the “too bad you didn’t like it” behind Juste’s statement.
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Allow me ajust some misunderstandings related to the drawings of the profet Muhammed, that has resulted in boycot of Danish product in your country.
The drawings were brought four months ago as a supplement to the debate of freedom of speech – a value highly regarded in Denmark.
The initiative has been laid out as a campagne against moslims in Denmark and the world over. Not true. It was not our intent to offend anybody’s beliefs. If it did happend it was unintentional.
This has been pointed out many times the last couple of months, in our own newspaper, in other newspapers, on tv, in radio and international media. We have also had meeting with representatives of the moslim society in Denmark, that took place in a constructive manner, in the same way we attempt to establish a productive dialog with Danish muslims in general.
We regret the matter has taken on scale and must repeat, that we did not intend to offend anyone, and that we as the Danish society as a whole respect eachother’s freedom of belief.
Best regards
Carsten Juste
Chief Editor
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What apology Alladin? Lying SOB
“Det har vi beklaget mange gange i løbet af de seneste måneder” What?? Shall i Teach you Danish??!!
Be accurate!!! BEKLAGET never means pointed out!!! I used this Translation website
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml The result was “regret, be sorry”
Also,
“We regret the matter has taken on scale and must repeat, that we did not intend to offend anyone, and that we as the Danish society as a whole respect eachother’s freedom of belief.”
Let’s see what does REGRET means in English “To feel sorry, disappointed, or distressed about” http://www.answers.com/regret&r=67
Probably you don’t see it because of your cronic state of denial
and fear of the truth
Anyhow, In the Arabic Version it does say appologize, I don’t care what your newspaper are trying to tell you, thier Arabic version on thier website says so, bring anyone who can speak Arabic (That if you can find any:D) to read it for you. Now, who’s lying SOB!!! Next time Maybe you should behave as your Newspaper Chief Editor
Nope, regret does not constitute apology in any way: for your info Mr. Linguistic Expert of fucking machine translation. It means “we are sorry if that’s how you feel, sorry it happended to you etc. blah blah” (And we do not intend to do anymore about it – because we can’t/will not) => also used by the White House Spokesmen all the time when another moslim household gets blown away – too bad. Kiss my ass.
The actual term in DK for
I apologize = Jeg undskylder
Look for that next time, before getting ahead of yourself and start crying [8D].
hi..first of all u have to know that am a MUSLIM and am an asian .. i born and grow up in Saudi Arabia..well as the issue is there for those bloody cartoons…he will be in the justice soon.. dont worry.. but let me ask few questions to ARAB ppl.. (iam not an ARAB)..Specially Saudi ppl.. what do u think of ur self? who are u ppl?we respect this land because of Holly Prophet and The Holly places are there in this country…
what u have in your country? only oil? this is what u proud to be? and well i would like to inform the world that this country “SAUDI ARABIA” have such Bloody fuking laws that no nation has those laws..no one can live here in Saudi Arabia without a sponsor.. and u have to pay an ammount on monthly basis to your sponsor.. and u cant even buy a car like big vehicles (trucks,, etc) for ur self.. if u need them u have to buy them in the name of Saudi person… and the worst picture is that.. if the saudi person is an ass hole ( most of them are).. he will sale this vehivle and u can do nothing.. u cant to buisness in ur name..Bloody hell .. i spent all my life here..am 23 years old now..i live in Khober….
go and learn some manners.. ur Police is uneducated dont know how to talk to a person…and the saudis think that expacts are there slaves.. once i did an accident with a saudi man.. he said to me in front of police ” my car got dammaged because u came to my country” is this your attitude?well u saudis are not professionals as well.. your 75 percent population is uneducated…and u have to know and admire that we expacts build your country…..if we leave your country u cant have any thing..,…….
#89
To get one thing right. The news paper jyllands posten is not linked to the danish government in ANY way, the term national news paper only means the paper is writing things about this contry, not for it. Atually, the fact that jyllands posten is not controlled by the government is the thing which alows them to write whatever they want (unless they directly encourage people to act violent in any way, fx. if they called to war against all muslims, then the paper would get its publishing rights taken away).
Anyway, just to correct you.
As a dane I now boycutt all products that are from the Middle east, but I have no idea what they are producing from the Middle appart from some oil. Therefore I will boycutt all muslim pizzarias, kabab stores and general muslim stores in denmark.
First of all. To say christians dont believe in Jesus is ridiculous. I dont remember who said it but the person is very ill informed.
I am danish, christian and I believe that Jesus is (not a prophet) but the son of God, or rather he IS God that came to this earth in a human shape to teach us how to live as humans and to finally pay our sins on the cross. We dont believe we ever will become sinless and holy enough to earn God/Allahs grace. Therefore he sacrificed his son (Himself) and we can receive forgiveness through His grace. Don’t judge my faith.
Secondly, You muslim people are not the only ones to experience things like this (the drawings). Christians have lived with this all of our life. Jesus being ridiculed in every way ( much worse than the drawings). I am surprised how you can get so offended that it turns you totally blind for much more serious matters in this world (including your own). It seems to me you all are acting to defend your own human pride more than you are defending God/Allah, cause He is very capable of defending himself.
Our God taught us to be humble, that pride and taking oneself to serious is wrong. He taught us that we have nothing to do in the revenge business. “Revenge belongs to me says the Lord”.
This is why christians deal with humiliation in another way. I get sad when I see Jesus being ridiculed. I don’t get offended. How am I to get offended on behalf of my own human pride? Christians know that God is alive, allpowerful and very capable of taking care of himself. In fact He is much better at it than we are.
Why don’t you muslims first and foremost look to your own midst before judging others? This to me would be more Godly. Maybe Islam is about peace. However if the rest of the world see everything else but peace in the people that call themselves muslims. Maybe you have a serious problem in your midst that you all need to deal with before throwing stones at others.
We believe God/Allah has a holy spirit. In order to act according to His true will we must humble ourselves and receive that spirit or else agression and being judgemental will take over.
When I look to peaceful islam I see that there is something fundamentally wrong between the teachings of peace and the behavior of its followers.
Do something about that and we will believe you.
God is about peace, love and forgiveness.
Aggressors, murderers ( yes it is also murder to kill in the name of Allah) have no place in His kingdom.
Our God told us that our weapons are not of this world (prayer). That the fight we are fighting are not against flesh and blood(but the army of evil in the spiritworld). That he who kills by the sword will die by the sword. That we are to forgive others to expect Gods forgiveness…shall I continue?… if you want to convince me that Islam is a peaceful religion, be peacemakers not bullies.
“The tree shall be known By its fruit” The Bible
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
It is just a matter of power. If we were more powerful than these satans, those who evaluate the case in terms of freedom would surely find the way yo evaluate it in terms of respect. Well, the most important lesson we should elicit out of the case is that we must work more, more and more to one day take the revenge of these bold insults! By the way we must be ashamed of ourselves for not being able take the effective reaction against these satanists.
You just proved my point enes abdullah.
You harbour nothing but hate in your heart. Where is the peace, where is God/Allah?
Good point lars. Though, rumor is out they actually produce carpets in Cairo – you know, all by themselves, with patterns and everything. Bingo. Apart from that they have nothing we want and nothing we’d ever need.
funny how some of the muslim writers dont read anything what anyone else has written
so one said that we the muslims are SO much more tolerent, and islam is about peace and what else
just look at #99 – this is what we in the west allways hear and sees when things are not going acourdingly to the muslims belives… so please – rethink – before stating that you are so much better than us. why is it allways – we are comming to get your – you are satanists, jihad and so forth
and ONCE AGAIN
lest tell you it again
the news paper is NOT linked to the goverment in ANY way. anyone stating otherwise is telling lies and have not done their homework
lets try again
the news paper is NOT linked to the goverment in ANY way. anyone stating otherwise is telling lies and have not done their homework
and a last time so some of the muslims writers in here might allso read it :
the news paper is NOT linked to the goverment in ANY way. anyone stating otherwise is telling lies and have not done their homework
99) Enes Abdullah are you representing the whole arab world or just your self.
If we apologize for the drawings what is the next thing you Mussies demand us to do?
Is it that you demand Donald Duck to wear Jeans and Daisy Duck to wear a headscarf?
In no way we will apologize; it will be a European scandal if we do.
maybe we couldt apologize
if the muslims do the same for :
suicide bombs in isral – terror bombs in london and madrid , in usa and in afganistan and iraq – anti semetic propaganda in their newspapers ( note read # 92 !!! )
then maybe – but i still fell theres notthing to apologize for
its a cartoon for christ sake!
if the muslim world wouldt just use 50% of their energy to start educating their people and work towards a richer and more peace full middel east – then they wouldt come a long way in no time
just my 2 cents
Dear #95. It would seem that you are a victim of Arab or Islamic imperialism. By exporting their religion to other parts of the world, such as India, Asia and the Phillipines, the Arabs have gained control of you in the most efficient manner possible: direct mind-control. By moving your focus to a silly desert country on a daily basis, you have been deprived of self-esteem and self-control. In effect you have become enslaved. Enslavery of foreign people is nothing new – the vikings did this, the romans, and of course christians in more recent history (since Columbus). I often wonder why black people in the USA, descendants of slaves, and still to a large extent poor and oppressed, often are so devoted to their christian faith. Likewise, I can’t stop wondering why there are homosexual christians, who want so much to have their relations blessed in a church as a marriage, when it is obvious that their religion is completely contrary to their emotions.
I am afraid I have to call you stupid, because you have deposited your free will and all other freedom you might have, in Mecca, ultimately in the hands of a family-tribe – the Saudis – who now effectively own your mind. To be fair, the wrongdoing is probably not on your part, rather it is your parents or their ancestors who were seduced or forced into Islam at some point. But unless you chose yourself to liberate you from the slavery, you _are_ stupid. If you absolutely can’t live without external guidance in your life, I would suggest taking a look at buddhism, although even buddhism isn’t free of faults and bigotry.
Salam on those who follow the Right path…While just (hi) to everone else
TOO MANY COMMENTS…SOME OF WHICH ARE REALY GREAT TO READ AND SUPPORT WHILE MANY OTHERS ARE NOTHING BUT (DEAD CRAP)!!!
ANYWAY…THE NEWSPAPER IS WITH THE DENISH GOVERNMENT, REASONING THEIR ACTIONS WITH THEIR DEMOCRACY LAWS…WHICH UNFORNTUNITLY MOST OF WESTERNS DON’T THINK (US MUSLIMS) KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!! ((REFFERING TO DEMOCRACY))
BUT DON’T YOU THINK THAT ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF DEMOCRACY IS THAT, EVERYONE IS FREE TO DO AND SAY WHATEVER HE/SHE WANTS AS LONG AS THAT ACT IS NOT INVADING THE OTHERS RIGHTS OF FREEDOM?!!!
TO CRITICISE IS DIFFERENT FROM TO HUMILIATE AND INSULT!!!
THE U.N. CODES OF LAW CONDEMNS INSULTING ANY RELEGION (INCLUDING ALL KIND OF PROPHETS) BECAUSE SUCH ACT WOULD SIMPLY FUEL HATERED AND VIOLENCE BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS!!
NONE OF THE WELL KNOWN RELIGIONS AGREES ON INSULTING THE OTHER RELIGIONS, HOWEVER THERE ARE MISGUIDED PEOPLE WHO DO INSULT AND COMMIT THAT CRIME!!
I BELEIVE THE GUY WHO STARTED ALL THIS IS EITHER (IGNORANT) OR (INTENTIONALY TRYING TO CAUSE CHAOS AND RAGE AMONG PEOPLE!! INCREASING THE FEELING OF FEAR AND HATERD TOWARD MUSLIMS!!
OR LET ME SAY THIS, A GUY WHO IS ENVIOUS OF DENISH COWS AND THEIR INCOME FOR THE DANISH PEOPLE!!! LET’S SEE WHO’S COWS ARE GETTING THE MONEY AFTER MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS HAVE PRACTICALLY STARTED BOY-CUT WITH THE DANISH PRODUCTS!!!…BY THE WAY, U CAN’T CALL THAT RAGE OR HATERED ACTS, THEY ARE JUST PRACTICING THEIR RIGHT OF DEMOCRACY BY CHOOSING WHAT TO BUY, SO DON’T HATE US FOR SUCH ACT…:)
ANYWAY, JUST LEAN BACK TO REASON AND LOGIC BEFORE RUNNING TO THE SWORD OR A MACHINE GUN!! THERE ARE THESE RED LINES THAT NO ONE SHOULD CROSS!! BECAUSE IT’S AGAINST HUMEN NATURE AND KINDNESS.
HAVE A GOOD DAY ALL..WHILE MAY ALLAH MERCY ALL MUSLIMS
where is this all going?
we all keep F***ing each other?
is it not common sense to apoligize to whom has been offended?
is it not common sense to protess calmly and respectivly?
simply baby-steps from both sides toward a tollarble comunity and world?
I’m a muslim and i resent tones from both parties
there’s no need for any Hate, foulness, and extremness.
SHAME ON U ALL
Saudi pplzzz are sukkersssss,,, i know dem… coz am living with them……am muslim.. but i Hate what they are doing now a days… And Denmark Newspaper.. am gonna kill u LOLZzzz
BASTARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Unfortunately, after what I read above, I realized that we can’t reach a mid-point where we can agree on common things together.
All what Muslims commonly want to say is simply: “respect me!”
But unfortunately, all what I see here in most those posts, that you can’t accept except yourself, your belief, your norms, your ethics, your race,…ect. And you simply say that this is ONLY the right. And anything else, is off course wrong!!
In the past, the western world colonized Africa, and they took Africans as slaves to Europe and America, with no single right! And they were so proud by their white skin, treating those people as animals, even less than an animal, killing them, persecuting them, using them as labor without any wage, coz simply in their eyes they were just salves!! And it was hundreds of years later when they were able to take their rights as a “human being”!
Also, the Jews in Europe were treated very very badly. They were accused for a fault that they were not responsible of, which is the killing of Jesus, Although if one responsible it was their ancestors. But they were put in Ghetto (that’s why they had for example in Germany their own language which was a mixture of German and Hebrew Language, which is the Yiddish language) , then at the end they were burnt alive in the time of the WWII in Germany. Then Europe still wanted to get rid of the rest when it encouraged migration to the middle east(to Palestine), which was colonized since the WWI, by the British, Where at the end “Israel” was created in 1948, by the help of England. And since then, Israel was the cause of many wars in this region. It invaded Egypt in 1956, then in 1967, it invaded parts of Syria, Egypt, and the rest of Palestine, and the world never call it a “terrorist country”. then in 1982, it also colonized South Lebanon and the world also doesn’t condemn Israel of such attacks. And while Palestinians are doing the same as what the French used to do when the Germans colonized France, Palestinians are called “terrorists”! while the French are called Patriots.
Most of the world was colonized since the 19th century by the British and the French. And they were never condemned as “terrorists”. Although in Algeria only, 1 million Algerians were killed by the French colonizers, simply because they wanted Algeria to be free and they defended their lands. So the French army killed anyone who defended his/her country! And the French were never called “terrorists” but instead, it was the Algerians!!!
The number of those killed or injured or persecuted in India, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Palestine (Israel now), Yemen, south Africa and many other parts of Africa… by the British colonizers were countless. And Those killed or persecuted in Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, and many parts of Africa by the French colonizers were also countless.
Or even those in Libya, or Ethiopia by the Italians …but no one called those people terrorists. Those who were always called “terrorists” were those colonized countries.
Did anyone called USA a “terrorist country” when it bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing 105,000 civilians and injuring 94,000???!!!
200,000 civilians in the Philippines were killed by USA in 1890..why?? For corporate profit!
Did anyone called USA a “terrorist country” when it was the cause of killing 587,000 Vietnamese in Vietnam and injuring 935,000??!!
In 1950- 1953, 3 million civilians in North Korea had died from American bombing or from war-related causes !!
Invasion of Panama in 1989, resulting in the death of 1000 to 4000 Panamanians & destruction of thousands of buildings!
In 1998, Bombing Sudan pharmaceutical plant that was producing 50% of Sudan’s Medicine requirements!!
In the Nineties, USA was the direct cause of 1,200,000 deaths of innocent children in Iraq.
And if we returned deep in the past, we will find the crusaders who colonized the Holy lands in Palestine and countries around it (Syria, Lebanon, Egypt), Killing Muslims there, calling their war of terror “ the HOLY WAR”!!! .
It was the crusaders who invented this term (Holy war) not Muslims. But did those people were ever called “terrorists”??!!
They came from France, German, England, Italy,. To a land they never know, to people they never met!! To fight them and take their lands, the same as their grandsons in the 19th century who colonized our lands and took our wealth for so many years.
Until we were able to get them out of our land and struggle the failures that they were the responsible for.
You people NEVER see yourself wrong. You always see the others’ faults, but you never see yourself wrong.
Number of mines in western Egypt is about 23 million mines. Those mines were put by the British and the Germans in the battle of Alamain in WWII, where the British defeated Germans. Those lands are so rich, but Egypt can’t invent in it till now. U KNOW WHY????
To remove and get rid of each mine, Egypt needs from 300$ to 1000 $, that it can’t afford. And those countries who were responsible for such shame, never said “we were wrong”, or “we were responsible”, or “we can help”
That’s all simply coz you see the world ONLY from your point of view.
You never see your mistakes.
You never called your wars, your persecutions, your hatred to other people as “terror”, while you can easily call others “terrorists”.
You never ready to correct your mistakes even.
You can judge others without knowing them. You just read what your media say about us and believe it without simple search.
And if a group of Muslims were wrong or simply terrorists, that doesn’t mean Islam is equal to terrorism, or that all Muslims are terrorists. If among your people you have criminals and terrorist that doesn’t mean you terrorists.
BE OBJECTIVE and search and read well.
In the country where I live, Egypt, this land of history that was the first civilization ever. Where the great pyramids exist, and the river Nile. Where the Egyptians were the first great Architects, scientists,…that many of what they left is considered still as mysterious…
I can tell you that countries are like human beings. They have also ages. They are born young and they grow. Till they reach their peak, their wisdom, then they became weak again as an old man. So don’t see yourself that great. Coz what u r in now can’t never last. Like the USSR. It was competing USA then it fall coz it got old.
The same for the Muslim world. Muslims reached their wisdom and greatness in the time where Europe was in its dark ages, so poor and hungry. And they left a great civilization.
And between the rich and the poor, the wealthy and the needy, can exist the best relation.
As the man needs and the woman, as the child needs his parents, can exist the best feelings.
A relation that is full of respect.
I can’t insult others and insist after knowing that I offended them that I AM FREE.
THIS IS NOT DEMOCRAY, NOR FREEDOM, NOR MORALITY.
have a good day,
salam (=peace, muslims’ greeting)
Yes, Muslims. All muslim is with you Prophet Mohammed. What if we do this to thier falg. they will get more angary.
the thing is that many danes really don’t care about some pople burning our flag, because efter the rules of gettting rid of a Danish flag you have to burn it and not o use as old clothing or a cleaning rag. I would be offended If I saw people pissing on our flag. But burning don’t care too much about that. Not to forget that the flag they burned yesterday were not a real Danish flag with the corect fabric and it was easy to spot that it was not correct stitched.
It seems to me that many people here no very little about Danish law, so permit me to give all of you a few facts:
1. Our constitution from 1849 ensures everybody freedom of speech and freedom of press. It literally states that censorship is forever banned.
This is why our prime minister (we don’t have a president as head of state as someone here wrote. We have a queen.) cannot act upon the drawings or punish the paper thet printed them. If he did so, he would be violating the constitution and be brought before the Supreme Court.
2. The constitution states that everyone has the right to free speech but are RESPONSIBLE for their words. This means that there are limitations. Eg: You are not allowed to call on others to kill/harm someone else.
3. The Danish Criminal Code has among other articles one that bans blasphemi. This article hasn’t been used to punish anyone since the 1930’s. Cases have been brought to court. (In the 70’s a singer sang about God being a stalker looking in to peoples’ bedrooms in order to punish them for being human and a couple of years ago a superparket sold shoes with Jesus printed on the soles). However, none of them were convicted, because in Danish law (and European as seen in the verdicts from the European Court of Human Rights) freedom of speech has wide limits.
4. Anyone who feel offended because of other people’s remarks can go the courts. This is how these problems are solved in Denmark. A few years ago, a woman called the leader of the Danish People’s Party (an immigrant sceptical party which supports the liberal/conservative minrity government) a racist. She was brought to court, but when it ended at the Surpreme Court the judges ruled that she had the right of free speech to call the politician a racist. (By the way, a dozen or so members of that party have been brought to court for racist remarks and have been convicted.)
5. A group af arab-danish citizens have brought the drawings to court. The judges have, however, determined that they have no case. They do have every right to protest, write letters to the papers, demonstrate, boycotting – and make hurtful/satirical/funny drawings of Danish politicians! All this is guaranteed by the constitution.
6. Jyllands-Posten is NOT owned by the Danish Government. The state doesn’t own papers in Denmark, and politicians have no influence on what they write.
ALL MUSLIMS READ AND CLIK LINK
why are you so angered with these small drawings when there are much older cartoons of Muhammed ?
http://islamcomicbook.com/pdfs/MBOE.pdf
look at this – NOT danish – have i heard anyone yelling about this ?
it still amaze me that people think that the danish people and goverment are the same as a INDEPENDED newspaper
where is the tolerence your preach about ?
1000 workers are gonna be fired in saudi arebia becourse of your boycott – its muslims workers not danish
is it tolerent to think and act as if the danish goverment and people are the same as the newspaper ? NO its igornent and stupid. Do i boycott saudi arbia for giving birth to Osama Bin Laden ? No becourse i know i shouldt link those two things together.
The danish goverment pays millions of $ to help palestine, and they pay money to the muslim oprganizations in denmark to help them. is that becourse the danish goverment hate muslims ? no ofcourse not
why do the muslims want the goverment to punnish the newspaper when muslim countries tell us in the west, that anti semistic content in their newspapers are under the free press and therefor cannot be dealth with ? isnt that the same or do i hear dobble standards?
is it lack of tollerence that the danish people still buy muslim products and havent boycotted muslim stores ? maybe they shouldt – but one of the ministers whent today out and asked people not to do that – is that intollerence ? I think thats very tollerent
And then just a few comments of my own:
1. The burning of Dannebrog – the Danish flag – might offend me (it actually doesn’t, though) and might be dis-respectful (to some) but it is a form of statement that is protected by the right to free speech.
2. The drawings were made for a reason – and it wasn’t to offend people of the Muslim faith. The Jyllands-Posten paper has at least 15 times written so since the drawings were printed. They were made to test the limits of free speech, because artists were afraid of the consequences of their work with Islamic topics.
3. Let me ask all of you who want the paper punished or the drawing banned: A few years back a teacher at the university in Copenhagen read aloud from the Koran (as part of his lessons) and afterwards he was attacked and hospitalized because a group of Muslims wouldn’t allow an infedal to read from their holy book. Is that okay?
4. My point is: Who should decide the limits of free speech? Where does it stop? The point of free speech is that it only makes sence if you grant it to people with repulsive oppinions. This is why denying the Holocaust is NOT A CRIME in Denmark. It’s a repulsive oppinion (in my view) but people are entitled to it – but you can be sure that it will be met by lots of words from the vast majority.
I think it was Voltaire who said: “I disagree with you but I will until death defend your right to say it.”
5. This is not a question of freedom of religion. This right is guaranteed by the constitution. The drawings don’t take that right away.
Boycotting is in a way an act of free speech. In Denmark, we call it “voting with your wallet”
Consumers in the Arab world have every right to boycotting Danish goods. This is a peaceful way of expressing their oppinion. (Just like when Danes boycottet French wine when Chirac began to test neuclear bombs again)
Again: Freedom of speech can take many forms and thank God (hmmm – wrong word in this context?) for that!
Response to #30
Mujahida, your response perfectly demonstrates the problem with Muslims.
“Well if I stood in the middle of the street in Denmark and started calling the muslims to fight against America and her allies “including you”, then would I be safe under the act of freedom of speech?”
No Mujahida, you would not. If I stood in a crowd and said “I think Mohammed was a bad man” that would be freedom of speech. If I said “Look, there’s a Muslim, let’s kill him” that would be a crime.
Unfortunately, Muslims do not see the difference. You think you have the right to inflict violence on anyone who does not agree with you. That means you are a bad person. If your beliefs are the result of your religion, then your religion is bad. If they result from your culture, then your culture is bad. I leave it to you to look into your heart and find the source of your barbarism.
You also said:
“So REMEMBER, We warned YOU!”
We in the civilized west have more and better weapons than you. The only reason we have not used them against you is because we ARE civilized. It would be a terrible mistake for you and your friends to push us so far that we set aside our civilized nature just long enough to use our biggest weapons against you.
A noted British author has observed:
“No great religious leader has been so maligned as Prophet Mohammed. Attacked in the past as a heretic, an impostor, or a sensualist, it is still possible to find him referred to as “the false prophet.” A modern German writer accuses Prophet Mohammed of sensuality, surrounding himself with young women. This man was not married until he was twenty-five years of age, then he and his wife lived in happiness and fidelity for twenty-four years, until her death when he was forty-nine. Only between the age of fifty and his death at sixty-two did Prophet Mohammed take other wives, only one of whom was a virgin, and most of them were taken for dynastic and political reasons. Certainly the Prophet’s record was better than the head of the Church of England, Henry VIII.”
Geoffrey Parrinder, Mysticism in the World’s Religions (New York: Oxford University Press, 1976, pg. 121)
http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/aboutmohamed/article11.shtml
This is not a freedom of _expression. who u insult him is the Prophet of Islam and u should respect him like we respect Jesus. and if were christians and u really know the meaning of your religion do as Jesus said : ” you should love each other” and before judging the Islam go and read its deep meaning! because we are Muslims and our Prophet is Mohamed we ll not answer you in your same level! we ll answer in our own Civilized way and in the way that our PRophet taught us! God forvises u
I am from Egypt and I salute people of Denemark. Great job you guys, these funny pictures of Mohamed were amazing. Muslims are ignorant and will always be terrorists. That Mohamed married a 9 year old girl and he was a terrorist who killed women by tieing them to camels and dragging them in teh streets. So keep up the good work and show us more funny photos hehehe
Dear #120:
You have every right to feel insulted, but no matter how many times you repeat that the drawings are not part of free speech, it won’t be true – according to Danish law that is.
Danish law defines free speech very broadly – this you cannot change merely by saying that it isn’t freedom of speech.
There have been cases with Jesus too. In the 80’s an artist did a wall painting of Jesus with a huge erection. Trust me: Lots of religious Danes were offended by it. They protested, wrote angy letters, demonstrated because those are their rights as granted by the constitution just as the artist was entitled to do the painting.
The thing is: Denmark is a very secular society. Relegion is a private thing that you don’t impose on others. Everyone has a right to practise their own religion as long as you let others do the same.
Most people in Denmark are not very religious, though. So you also have respect the right of NOT BEING RELIGIOUS. This means that you shouldn’t impose rules from Islam, Chistianity, Judaism, Buddhism or any other religion on people who don’t believe in them – eg imposing the ban on depicting the Prophet (may peace be upon him) on those of us who are not Muslims.
Once again I would like to know: Who gets to decide the limits of free speech? Who has the definitive answer?
In my view, it is always dangerous when people claim to know all the answers or the absolute truth. The thing is: What is right for me, may not be right for you – so whom of us i right?
The best thing – I believe – is to accept that our views in the matter are just too different. You have every right to protest (peacefully) against the drawings and the paper has every right to print them.
Would it hurt so much just to accept that we are different?
wel i think this kind of act produces muslim mjahid from whcih not only west but whole of the world is fear of and we muslims proud of these mujahid infact we are mujahid by birth and to the editor of the news paper believe me you wont get any place or any one to protect u from a muslim hero who wil insha allah in near future will kill u.i would like to thank him as wel ya bcz he once again enlightend the fire in the hearts of muslim worriers and now this fire will engulf the whole of the anti muslim insha allah.
Im from Denmark, and I think that you should remember that the drawings weren’t meant to hurt anyone, but to entertain, and yes it was a bad idea, and not funny at all, but the paper didn’t published the drawings to hurt anyone. And the danish people are not against Islam at all, we have space to all the religions in the world, and when you boykott danish stuff, you are punishing innocent people who. I think it was stupid that our prime minister didn’t took the meeting with the ambassadors, not to apologize, but to say that he was sorry that so many got hurt… But boykott and burning flags aren’t gonna help at all.. I understood the muslims before they started boykutting, but I lost a little respect for them after that, like I did for the paper who brought the drawings… The Danish people do not at all hate Islam or anything like it, it’s just been blown up to something it’s not…
Teenager from DK
u know ppl, i just can’t get it!
why is it so hard for non-muslims to understand that there are just some things that we just can not accept! is it so funny to make fun of other people’s beliefs? why cant u just respect our prophet like we respect “and love” yours?!
Prophet Muhammed is our prophet, we love him and we’ll defend him no matter what! and we DONT do it because we’re racists, we just “belong” to our religion, unlike you – it seems.
may god forgive you
Dear #123!
Once again: Why can’t we just accept our differences?
I put freedom of expression just as high as you put your religion.
I could reverse the issue: When people in the Muslim world call for the punishment of the paper that printed the drawings, I feel that they make fun of my values and my beliefs… This freedom is what members of my family died for during the Nazi occupation of Denmark 1940 – 1945. But you know what: I would never dream of denying you the right to feel and express what you do.
And again: The drawings were NOT printed to offend anyone. I know that people have been offended but that was not the goal.
I would also like to say that I don’t sympathize with those who speak ill about all Muslims. To me, this is not about terrorism, ancient history (I guess that both the Middle East and Europa has been responsible for unspeakable attrocities during the course of history) – it’s about recognizing that we see thngs very differently when it comes to religion versus freedom of speech, and that we shouldn’t impose one view on the other.
That is: We should never do drawings of your Prophet (pbus) in your country and you should accept our freedom of speech in Denmark – and you even have every right to engage in a debate about it in Danish papers and websites. Just like we are doing here.
It’s just sad that some extremists here (from both sides) has a very uncicilized level of debating.
Listen u #107 what da hell u trying to say??? Islam is a relegion of Peace and Proseperity….But these ARABS are very FAAAARRR away from Islam..and listen to me now…i dont have to concentrate on those relegions…ahan.. u talking about Budhism… Look there fuking relegion…open the history and see it…
Lasse Hillerøe Petersen listen to me now.. am a muslim.. and i’ll die for it got that? i know that these Saudis are Bastards… they are big sukker of Money…they dont even know that where the word “Humanity” comes from…bloody hell.. they are teasing all Expacts here..why? and well Saudi Goverment call my father to work for there country…now he is also getting tease by there fukkinggg ppl.
Lasse Hillerøe Petersen what u said about mecca? never do that mistake again.. got that? now goto hell.. if u got any guts dont reply me…gotcha.. bubye
What danish hewspaper did is not freedom of speech. What will be your opinion if any moslem make a photoshop draw for a danish princess fucked in her pussy by a monckey and saying that’s freedom of speech. Wake up racists!!
denmark are one of the most developing aid giving countries in the world and support a lot of developing aid projects in the mddle eastern countries for instance palastina,, we are giving aid to a lot of african countires, if you guys are boycutting us, you also say no to developing aid, this will say in the end the recieving countries of developing aid from denmark will be the loosers. we have our power to stop the aid to you guys.
Remember tha The U2 singer Bono have praised us for the way we help poor countries.
The story of Jyllands-Posten’s Mohammed Cartoons started with this book.
The Koran and the life of the prophet Mohammed by Kaare Bluitgen.
Original in Danish: Koranen og profeten Muhammeds liv – Kåre Bluitgen – Høst & Søn
Høst & Søn Denmark ISBN 87-638-0049-7 24-01-05
It was this book that started the whole row. The author Kaare Bluitgen was not able to find an artist who would draw illustrations for the book, in fear of Muslim reprisals. This started editor of Jyllands Posten Flemming rose to ask a number of artists to draw Muhammed. Now Danish goods are being boycotted in Muslim countries, and Danes have been threatened.
Here are the pictures from the book which started it all. I hope it is going to be translated into many languages!
Kaare Bluitgen Mohammed book illustrations
The Mohammed Cartoons from Jyllands Posten (texts translated into English):
Jyllands Posten Mohammed Cartoons
This “insident” clearly shows the fundamental difference in understanding the meaning of freedom of speech and democracy. Most complaints are seen from parts of the world, where freedom of speech and democracy is relative or even not excisting.
One basic freedom, however is awailable everywhere: The freedom not to look at, and read about things you don’t like.
……….. and by the way, the newspaper is brought to court – that’s how a democracy works.
First of all let me greet you with the Islamic greeting ” Peace be unto you “,which is also used by Jesus in the Bible in the Gospel of John 20:21,which says : ” Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you ” As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.”
We condemn publishing of cartoons that ridicule the Prophet Muhammad, which in turn insults the feelings of millions of Muslims as they see the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) depicted in an offensive manner.
The drawings were first published in a Danish magazine on December 30, 2005, after which they were republished on January 10, 2006, in a Christian Norwegian magazine. These drawings were presented in a way that could never be acceptable to any person of good faith, nor ever approved of by any person having sound morals. This depiction is unbefitting of a prophet who delivered the divine message. Twelve drawings depicting Prophet Muhammad in different settings appeared in Jyllands-Posten, Denmark’s mass-circulation daily, on September 30
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-01/28/article05.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/misconception/article18.shtml
We, Muslim, love and respect in Jesus and believe that he is one of the great prophets of God .There are many verses in the Holy Quran which mention about Jesus.You can check it for yourself.
Jesus, 4:163, 9:30, 9:31, 10:68, 19:30-34, 21:91, 23:50, 33:7, 61:6, 61:14
bears witness on Resurrection Day, 4:159
Christians asked not to deify, 4:171
creation of, 3:45-49, 19:22
disciples, 3:52, 61:14
divergent views about, 43:65
followers above others on Resurrection day, 3:55
healing of blind and lepers, raising the dead, 5:110
his holy inspiration, 2:87, 2:252, 5:110
his nature is as Adam’s, 3:59
is the means to know Judgement Day (alternate translation), 43:61
Jews boast of killing, 4:157
not Allah, 5:17, 5:72, 5:116
only a messenger, 4:171, 4:172, 5:75, 19:30
only seemed slain and crucified, 4:157
resurrected, 4:158
resurrection foretold, 3:55, 19:33
truth about him will be realized when people die, 4:159
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/quranindex.html#J
Though ,We ,Muslim ,love and respect every prophet of God ,including Jesus and Moses and the last prophet of God ,that is prophet Muhammad.But imagine,if I quote the following verses from the Bible and make the drawings of the pictures of the prophet Lot having sex with his own daughter in order to insult your belief,what shall be your feeling and your reaction?Those verses,according to the Biblical description of Lot, are from Genesis 19:30-38 ,saying that prophet Lot having sex with his very own daughter,while getting drunk.So do something for us to prevent this kind of disrespect against the Prophet Muhammad ,as We ,Muslim,do respect Jesus.
And imagine ,if the drawings of Jesus ,as being tempted by the devil for forty days as has been mentioned in the Bible in Luke 4:1-13, are made to insult your faith and your belief ,what shall be your feeling? .And this is true because it has been mentioned in your very Bible that Jesus was tempted be the devil for forty days .If the drawings of Jesus are made to insult and to make fun of your Bible ,what will be your feeling ?
Though the portrayal of Moses and Jesus (pbut) of being peace-loving people is fully in accordance with the teachings of the Qur’an, the Biblical testimony is contrary to it. Many quotations from these Biblical testimonies can be given . I will simply furnish ONE incident that will prove my point, because in this ONE incident, no less than three thousand people were killed by the sword at the command of Biblical Moses. We read:
“(Moses said): ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbour’. The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.” (Exodus 32:27-28, NIV)
It is also a well-known fact that the total number of deaths that took place in ALL the wars fought during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was 1018. The biblical quotation given above and many such quotations appear to escape the grasp of those who allege against Muhammad (pbuh), further ignoring the words of Jesus:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
(Matthew 7:1-2 KJV)
STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER…..
To the Chistians:
A few points to have in mind are these: (1) The Koran is their principal “holy book.” Some will agree that the Bible is God’s Word, but they believe that it is superseded by the Koran. (2) They believe that there is only one true God. (3) They say that Jesus was one of the prophets, as was Muhammad, and that Muhammad (570-632 C.E.) was the Comforter foretold by Jesus. They believe Muhammad was the last and most important prophet. (4) They strongly believe that God has no son.
To the Muslims:
The Qur’an calls the Torah and the Injil “the Book of Enlightenment.” (Al ‘Imran [3]:184; Fatir [35]:25) Scores of Qur’anic verses state that these books are from God. (Al-Baqarah [2]:89; Al-An‘am [6]:92) Concerning both the Torah and Injil, we read: “Wherein is guidance and a light.” (Al-Ma’idah [5]:44, 46, MMP) Furthermore, Al-Ma’idah [5]:46 says about the Torah: “Therein is the (plain) command of God.” Many of the great interpreters (such as Al-Jalalayn, Al-Fakhr Al-Razi, Al-Tabari, and Al-Baydawi) acknowledge that according to the Qur’an, the Torah is called “the Book of God” (Al ‘Imran [3]:23) and “the Book which helps to make things clear.” (Al-Saffat [37]:117)
So, now that we know, that the bible is a book of God, and has to be respected by both Muslims and Christians, we can take the basic rule into consideration: In the book of Matthews Chapter 7 vers 12, Jesus says:
“All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
We know the vers also as: What you don’t want, that others do to you, then don’t do that to others. The Apostle Paul said in Romans 12:17: . “Return evil for evil to no one. . . . Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”
In short, RESPECT EACHOTHER.
That means, don’t humiliate others, JP knew that it was asking for trouble, because they did’t find many who wanted to draw Muhammed.
But it also means for the Muslims, that they should’nt make death threats, etc. All have to pay their price in de end to God. I am a Jehovah’s Witness, living in Denmark. And I believe that it’s only GOD who can judge. We are not the ones sitting on his thrown.
Therefor Stop this hatred against eachother.
Focus on basics: A Moslim delegation (representing whom? – NOT the Danish Moslims) went to the Middle East with lies, half stories, only to enflame hate between Moslims and Christians. They are evil – both in Moslim and Christian eyes. Shame on them. And the people in the Middle East, who heard them, believed in them and got angry.
Moslims and Christians can easily co-excist – a large part of our religion is the same, but both sides must stop agressors among ourselves.
Dear #133,
It’s nice to read your comment. I disagree with you, but it is that kind of civilized debate we need – thanks! ;o)
Can I ask you something?
As I have written earlier, most Danes are not religious at all – myself included. i don’t believe in any god.
Are people who are not religious, in your view, bound by the holy scriptures of others?
And then I would like to repeat that I understand why many people have been offended by the drawings, but according to Danish law they are not illegal in any way.
Everyone has a right under free speech to critize them and the newspaper, to burn the Danish flag, to boycott Danish goods – but do you think that people in your corner of the world should be allowed to change the laws in Denmark? If you do – do I have the right to change laws that I don’t like in your country?
On that note, I’ll once again like to appeal to everyone here for a civilized debate
)
#134: Both JP and the writer, whose book started all of this, did find many artists – the artists just wanted to be anonymous because they feared the consequences of excercising their right to freedom of expression.
If I leave my personal thoughts away, I can say, that Every one is bound by the law of the country. No one has the right to go against the law. Without the Law, there would be chaos. Therefore are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindu’s etc, bound by the law of the country they live in.
If I was to live in a Muslim country, I would not be bound by a law to not eat Pork, but personaly I wouldnt do it to not hurt my fellow country man.
I think personaly, that the Islam has many good points, but its the little groups of Extremists, that put a shadow on the Islamic world. I don’t feel, in my talks with Muslims in Denmark, that they are so extreem.
For those who don’t believe in anything, they are bound to the same laws to the country they live in.
Don’t forget, the laws of the country, are based on the 10 commandments of Moses.
But all Christians and Muslims have to obey the 10 commandments.
In the second book of the Holy Bible “Exodus 20:1-20 it says:
1 And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying:
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves. 3 You must not have any other gods against my face.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me; 6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.
8 “Remembering the sabbath day to hold it sacred, 9 you are to render service and you must do all your work six days. 10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your alien resident who is inside your gates. 11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.
12 “Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giving you.
13 “You must not murder.
14 “You must not commit adultery.
15 “You must not steal.
16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.
17 “You must not desire your fellowman’s house. You must not desire your fellowman’s wife, nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his ass nor anything that belongs to your fellowman.”
Many morals we have, and laws we have come straight from the Bible, or other Holy books, such as the Qoran, The book of Mormon etc.
But those who don’t believe in God, they still believe that these morals are for the best of mankind.
I don’t judge people, that is something that God does. Every Muslim, Christian, or non Christian who just stick to these rules, I just mentioned and the comment of Jesus in the earlier comment, would find it easier to live in this wicked world.
To JHWH,
I agree with you some of the way, but I have a difficult time debating from a religious point of view.
The laws regarding the drawings are secular (though the feelings hurt are religious) even though, as you mention, the law is to some extent based on the ten commandments.
I just beleive that we should be careful not to find every anwser in different holy scriptures that claim to be the absolute truth.
Eg: The Bible allows slavery, stoning of gay people to mention just a few things that I hope that every civilized country would find appalling.
My point is that you cannot impose on culture’s values on another. Who gets to decide what is right and what is wrong?
I think that the goal must be to accept that we are different and respect that one culture or country has values/rights/laws that other don’t – the end.
The point is that we have to obey the law. When the laws don’t fit you, than you will come in conflict with the law.
The law states that you mus’t kill, but doesnt state that you can’t make drawings of a profet. (Allthough I can remember that a commercial on the dutch tv was banned, because it had a nude jesus in it).
In Romans it says: “You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore love is the law’s fulfillment.
Even if we don’t take the bible or qoran, then love for your fellow human, would prevent to harm them in any way.
response to Paul
Is is Natural for European -who claimes freedom of Speach – to quote a Muslim response and not quote the original Racest statement made by his fellow citizen who was talking about All muslims and All palestinians as if they all were criminals…..
#60: When you say, “The Jews are fine, they learn fast.. and sson the will control ur economy,” you completely discredit anyone who claims that Islam is anything other than an intolerant and racist theology.
Howeve..No My statement is not Intolarate or acist…when U complain about the number of Plaestinian immigrants who are unemplyeed -becasue I don’t See the Danish people are likyl to employ people who they hate – I said:
Ok let us make a deal…give the palestinian immigrants thier land back, and take the European Israeli immigrants Back to Europe.. I don’t see any thing racist in this statement???
# response to 63
Abu Laban Has the right of speach under the Danish law..or what?
u Have no right to hush him… and the government has no right to prevent him from telling what he likes…
Dodo – Abu Laban (and the delegation that went to The Middle East)has the same right of speech as everyone in Denmark. But is it right of them to agitate against the country that gives him and many others shelter?
#Respons for 72
An American way of response
every thing or website or media that says anything that is against what they want..is telling lies..is not a trusted source of information..shuld be bombed!!
However, we are not as crazy as to be angery at 12 cartoons drown by stupied cow keepers..we argue the Govenment response..which shows that they do agree on the racism that is quite clear in the Danish media..The danish Media -supported by the Government- is trying to
discriminate Muslims and give the socity a bad image of them ..it tells companies: don’t employ a Muslims, he might explode ur company..They are telling the boys in schools: Don’t befriend with Muslims, they are bad
Using cartoons is a way of inspiration..People by view these photos – will have a back-feeding of hatred and intolerance.. And by the presence of people like nozor and Lara and die muslim among them, this image will be consolidate with thier back ideas about islam..it is a way to mke Danish people believe that Muslims shouldn’t leav among them… If a Danish man becomes muslims, the whole society should avoid it..becasue he becomes a ciminal terrorist.. and this is against the freedom of belief !
that is whta we are arguing about..and not a stupied Cartoon made by a stupied cazy cartonests!
response #93
It is (we deeply regret and apologize for Muslims) in the arabic version
If the danish version says somethign else…..????
#15 read – This newspaper can publish cartoons about Moses – or Jesus for that matter – and many western newspapers have done. A quick search on Google turned up stoned Jesus, racing Jesus and a crucified Jesus, among others. Or, if you’d prefer, here’s a film of gay Jesus.
Brothers, If they can not respect the prophets sent on them how can they respect other prophets.
Let them be (so called) civilized. Their civilization will take themselves to destruction.
They are so civilized that they do not have any family values.
They are so civilized that their kids are pregnent at the age of 12.
They are so civilized that they have the highest divorse rate.
They are so civilized that they are slaves of their desires.
They are so civilized that they are almost like animals (like a dog does sex with every bitch and a bitch does sex with every dog around the corner).
They are so civilized that they allow gay and lasbian weddings.
Let them be civilized brothers, and let us wait till God destroys them Himself.
Newspaper apologises for offending Muslims
By The Copenhagen Post
Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten apologises to Muslims for stepping on their religious feelings by publishing caricatures of Mohammed
Four months after publication of caricatures of the prophet Mohammed, Denmark’s largest newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, apologised to the Arab world on Monday for publishing a series of caricatures depicting the prophet Mohammed.
The newspaper said it never intended to harm the feelings of Muslims, and that it had published the cartoons as part of an ongoing public debate on freedom of expression.
‘In our opinion, the 12 drawings were sober. They were not intended to be offensive, nor were they at variance with Danish law, but they have indisputably offended many Muslims for which we apologize,’ wrote editor-in-chief Carsten Juste in an open letter to all Muslims on Monday.
Jyllands-Posten’s apology comes as a boycott of Danish goods that began last week spread throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and to Pakistan.
The boycott, as well as diplomatic recalls by Saudi Arabia and Libya, was an expression of Muslims’ dissatisfaction over the Danish government’s reaction to the drawings, considered blasphemous by many Muslims.
The prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has repeatedly stated that the matter is a free speech issue, and something that is beyond his powers to influence.
‘A Danish government cannot say ’sorry’ for a Danish newspaper,’ Rasmussen said to national broadcaster TV2 on Monday.
Nevertheless, Rasmussen did take steps to distance himself from the drawings: ‘My personal respect for people’s religious beliefs means that I would never represent Mohammed, Jesus, or another religious figure in a way that would offend others.’
Hi
To anomymous
dont make your opinion about alot of people based
on what a small group do
a lot of nonmuslims are good and decent
no matter what you think
dont think what some sick persons said on this site or debated is trully what all the denmarks belive
it is simply the talk of empty headed
if there are home asexuall among them then Know that they few
God inshallah wont destroy them because there many many good ppl among them
#86
Can u show me a Pic of Jesus as a terorist??
Can u show me anything that might inferr the idea ” to be a christian = to be a terrorist that should be expelled from the country??
Can u show me any Pic that tells others that Christians are dangerous people??
In the Western world we have a sense of humour. Too bad that concept hasn’t reached the Middle East yet.
#Yes they do!
they are not agitating against the Danish people.. they are critisizing the Danish government response and its refusal to meet them , let them take the case to the court.. and the reposting of the pics in other papers..which means it is a national -international campain against Muslims..
If u believe they were telling lies -whichc i dought it- then I do believe that the Danish newspaper was telling lies as well.. but it was protected by the Danish law.. and so are they!
They have the right to seek the Help of islamic countries and organisations.. and thier pleased efforts did give a nice result..
I think soon we will see a law about making fun of others depeding on thier religion or race…which inturn will protect Our Dear prophet Muhammad and Our dear prophet Jesus from your impolitness!
Someone asked for danish reactions to these cursed drawings. I am a dane and I think these drawings are both wrong and idiotic beyond comparison. They have no value at all… nothing was uncovered by publishing them – except the total insensitivity of the publishers. Jyllands Posten should have had the brains to excersize self censorship in regards to this matter. Any person with an inkling of understanding of the world would know that creating and printing these moronic drawings would cause a cry of havoc from moslems all over the world. Imagine the thing most dear to you ridiculed and scorned publicly in a newspaper for everyone to laugh at? How would you feel?
But… what is even sadder is that the moslem world have chosen to hate all of Denmark because of the actions of a few stupid individuals. Why do moslems choose such hateful approaches to anything they don’t agree with? You say yours is a religion of peace and tolerance – yet what we see everytime we encounter moslem reactions to things they disagree with is hatred and threats of death. Why? You talk against generalizing moslems yet you generalize against all danes.
I guess it’s the sad part of being human… it seems to be in our genes to hate and fight. How we managed to become the dominant species on earth is beyond me. But we won’t be for much longer, I think. A couple of hundred years more at the very most and we’ll have wiped ourselves out. Sadly we’ll probably take the rest of the planet with us.
And no… Jyllands Posten does not have the lowest subscription rate in Denmark. It’s one of our larger newspapers. Which is why you would also expect a larger sense of responsabililty from them.
#152 to bad that u didn’t recognize that the Pics are racists and try to make Danish people hate Muslims…
a funny pic wouldn’t include a bomb a sowrd, vailed women afraied of a pophet!would they???
or may be you lught to see such pics? I don’t know what eating Mad-Cows would make man lought at!
Being a Dane and a non-Moslem I am sorry to see the situation escalating like this. We have for centuries used satire and cartoons in various situations – including religious. We often depicted both Jesus and Buddha and God and Odin and Thor (ancient nordic Gods) and our queen in funny drawings – even though 95% or so are royalistic – be it buddhists, jews, christians or whatever. These cartoons have been used in the name of free debate – as were the drawings of Mohammad. These drawings were not intended to deliberately insult Moslems and we DO respect Islam in Denmark – then please as non-Danes respect our freedom of Speech in Denmark. Freedom of Speech is as sacred to us as the Profet Mohammed is to Moslems!!!
Moslems everywhere demanded an apology and started boykott Danish articles and issue death threats – Monday evening the JyllandsPosten apologized for the unintended insult to Moslems and our prime minister stated that he personally disliked the drawings and he also said, that could not order an independent newspaper in a secular, modern democracy to apologize. Now, however, Moslems have changed their mind – an apology is no longer sufficient. So what do they want? Blood?!! Death?!!
I know my opinion doesn’t matter much; I am a woman, so perhaps 50% of Moslems will not listen to me… even though my IQ is at least 50% higher than theirs.
I can only ask all who are on the side of freedom of speech and democracy to buy danish articles and to help us to not cave in to this appauling attempt to force a little nation to take orders from fundamentalists.
it really funny to see that such silly story has made a huge debate and problems all over the muslim world .
1/ If it was a muslim or an arab fault the matter would have been considered as individual act and dos not have anything to do with the general opinion (revise the stories of the people who were killed in Iraq, Lebanon,Pakistan, Iran ..etc)
2/ If you say any thing that they don’t like than it’s a sin and you deserve to die
3/ my dear muslims or other relegion fellow : no one ask you to migrate to europe , and the same way that you demand respect when people visit any of your countries in the middle east, india , pakistan , africa…etc , you have to respect the law , fealling and attitude in the european countries .
4/ with all my respect but you should not influence your opinion over any person , as you do not have the right to do so , and if you have learned this habit due to your countries regulation , than this is your problem where you should go and solve it in your country , but don’t bring your headach to europe , you come here looking for freedom , and no one accept that you will steel our freedom .
if you don’t accept freedom than enjoy saudi, Pakistan, Afganistan , and the othur gulf country and arab world system , but don’t come and spoil other people world .
wether we are right or wrong it’s freedom that we choose , and we do not want any dictator or bin laden to tell us what to do , nor we need an arab leader to cover his mistake , by letting some fanatics get busy by giving them a bone or silly story to play with it in order to divert attention from his stories or problems .
every one know that this story is a stupid one , and it is only used for some political or economic reason as a cheap way to blackmail europe .
To All who insult our beloved prophet Mohamed, I ask you to be objective and fair, and read about him before giving any opinion.
We all agree that all have the right of freedom of speech, you have the complete right to beleive or not not to beleive in Mohamed and to criticise him objectivly, but what we object is to insult him aiming to hurt Muslims and create hatred.
We beleive in all prophets and respect them as our prophet Mohamed, and even the religious figures which we don’t believe in them we don’t insult them as a respect to their followers.
I refer you to these sites to have information about Islam and prophet Mohamed, pease be upon hime and all prophets.
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=61
http://www.arabtop.net/understandislam.htm
REPLAY TO #36
FOR GOD SAKE..DO U CALL THIS “A COVERAGE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN PALESTINE????????
#An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a
warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was
three years old.
Words fail me
#A fresh attempt to ban a documentary film about the Israeli army’s invasion of a West Bank refugee
camp has failed.
Israel’s film board banned Jenin, Jenin from being shown in the Jewish state last year, saying it
presented a distorted version of events in Jenin.
But on Monday Israel’s High Court reinstated a ruling which overturned the ban, saying the film
board did not have “a monopoly over truth”.
Kudos to the Israeli High Court. Not having seen Jenin, Jenin, I can’t comment on how accurate it
is.
However, the Israeli judges are correct to point out that no-one has a monopoly of the truth. Rather
than trying to prevent uncomfortable views from being expressed, it is far better to allow all
points of view to be made and encourage people to sift through the conflicts and contradictions
until a robust and reliable sequence of events is arrived at.
#The Israeli government has reacted angrily to an EU sponsored poll which labelled the country the
biggest threat to world peace.
#Once again the Israeli Government does their bit to swell the ranks of al-Qa’ida while making their
country safe from cheap vegetables.
#The Israeli army demolished an apartment building in Hebron yesterday, leaving several Palestinians homeless, after Palestinian militants used the building to ambush Israeli soldiers on Monday night.
#Hundreds of protesters are expected to gather today at the place where Tom Hurndall was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper as he tried to rescue Palestinian children trapped under fire.
The report goes on to discuss the peace activists in general, mentioning that
The activists’ International Solidarity Movement (ISM) has been lambasted in Israel as biased. Certainly some of the activists have taken a one-sided view of the conflict. But Jo Bird from Manchester and her mother, Rica, were proof that not all have. For one thing, they are Jewish. And Rica Bird refers to her horror at the innocent Israeli victims of Palestinian suicide bombings, as often as to her opposition to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
…
“We have to show our solidarity with non-violent groups.”
There are genuine grievances and concerns on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian divide. Until both sides start to recognise this and begin to work towards a mutually beneficial solution, the cycle of violence in Israel and the Occupied Territories will continue to worsen.
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nither u nor any of ur sources reffered to israelis as “Jews”…non mentioned that they are acting like this (especially that soldir who killed the little girl) out of a Thalmod teaching that says: killng Guims is a direct high way to paradise… or that :The non Jews have no soul”
it is a very weak coverage of what is goig on..with poor comments or some times no comment…while the first thing u will mention is :the Muslims who killed .. he muslims who banned ..in islamic countries it is such and such
even when referring to Saddam or Musharraf or the other Tyrans..u try to say -directly or indirectly – that this man the the direct produc of Islam…while he is a Godless man who beleive in Baeth (Communism)
Please show me a comment on the daily killing of Palestinians …referring to Isralies as “Jews” -the way u do when talking about any thing related to Islamic world even if it was done by seculat governments – and trying to analyse that these crimes were out of the Jeish belife that non Jews are subhuman and killing them is not a crime..
Show me where u mentioned that what Israelis are doing is terrorism motivated by thier funny belif
show me a cartoon that shows jews – as a religion followrs – as terrorists…
and show me a better coverage to what is going on in Palestine…
Other wise my argument still stand!
I don’t hope that all moslims behave like some of the fools on this page. If they see or read something, they don’t like, they vill kill you, blow you up, blow your country up.
I see lots of claims that Europe supports Israel, but not one mentioning that Europe supports Palestine financially. Without this support, there would be no police, no hospitals, no schools no administration and so on. The Hamas leaders knows that.
Europe supports the existance og Israel AND the existance of a free Palestine.
But of course, if you ar too stupid to argue in a decent manor – throw a bomb.
If you don’t understand democracy – throw a bomb.
If you are not free to critisice your own country, 12 small cartoons from a small country can fall victim.
I respect moslims, but there at a few on this page who doesn’t deserve any respect at all. Thanks to themselves.
Dear Dodo,
I am sad to see the hateful tone on this site. And I am ashamed of the moronic comments of some people who present themselves as danes here.
But it seems it’s inevitable that this crisis will escalate. I fear we have not seen the worst of it yet. But… I also fear that some danes are reaching the pain limit of what they will tolerate of death threats from various violent parties. I am seriously afraid that any attack on danish interests inside or outside of Denmark will result in an outbreak of hate crimes against moslems in Denmark. So far we have been the victims of disorderly moslem youths who disregard Danish law and commit all kinds of crimes against their Danish hosts. Many of them came here as fugitives from dictatorships and were given asylum here in Denmark. And now we harvest the fruit of their gratitude… Danish women are gang raped by moslem youths. The term gang rape was virtually unknown until the second generation moslem immigrants taught us what that means.
If we are to suffer direct militant attacks on our interests and our nation I fear that Danish moslems will pay a terrible price. God have mercy on them if they awaken Holger Danske once again.
Freedom of speech in a democracy is the right to say a wrong opinion.
There will NEVER be peace in Palestine if Palestinians and Israelis cannot talk and discuss with eachother peacefully.
There will NEVER be a winner in the endless fight between Palestinians and Israelis – only many many civilian losses on both sides.
Unless both sides put away ALL weapons, and talk without prejudice.
Both sides are revenging revenges unendlessly.
Both sides claims that the other side commit terror.
Both sides feel that they can justify what they are doing – both sides are wrong.
This crisis can ONLY be solved by the two parties, so start talking – not tomorrow, but NOW!!!!!!
Sorry, that we are giving you shelter and help.
Sorry that we are giving you education.
Sorry that we help you economically
Sorry that you can freely practice your religion in our country.
Sorry that we are giving developing aid to your countries.
Sorry that we do not demand blood vengeance on the murders on our fellow countrymen done by Muslims.
Sorry that we do not run around with suicide bombs on our body, when we fell insulted.
Sorry that we do not do as your religion says.
But an apology for the freedom of speech, in our own country, by following our law of our country. You’ll get never get that mate.
to sum it up.
THE APOLOGY has already been published.
And no the persons who drew Muhammed might not know it was wrong since they are not muslims.
Dont impose your rules on others please.
Luna, you are right. Finally a voice of reason.
And may I ask why these exact drawings have caused such a stir among Moslems? As I have seen there have been published many much worse drawings elsewhere, and they haven’t been condemned in the same degree.
Is the Arab world now attacking little liberal Denmark exactly why it is a little country? Do the decisionmakers not dare to take on France or Britain or Germany because they are much larger nations? Instead they send brainwashed suicide bombers with small IQ’s to do their bidding.
And a comment to DODO #157. You want to se cartoons about jews as terrorists killing palestinians? Well you only have to read Danish papers – we also have cartoons depicting Danes as terroriste and Jesus as Gay and our royal family as degenerates. Have you ever seen South Park? Jesus is a talk show host!!! Obviously the right-extremist Americans are against that but in the US and in Europe it is very popular.
Perhaps we should give lessons on the importance of self ironi
self irony. Yes agree.
It seems to me it is not so much a matter of Muhammed and Gods feelings, as it is about many muslims taking themselves waaaay too serious
who is the next the muslims wants an appology from, could it be for instance our prince Christian who is as old as the drawings.
or what about Lars Larsen, he always got some great offers.
The moslems view christians/westeners as sub-humans. So obviously they will not tolerate any criticism from us.
You have the freedom of drawing …. We have the freedom of Buying
Hi Saudi
…..does this boycot include burning flags with the christian holy symbol? Putting out a fatwa on all danes in Iraq? Threatening with suicidal bombings? putting a price on the drawers heads?
insisting on interfering with danish internal matters and laws?
violently attacking innocent danes ( who have nothing to do with any drawings) in your countries?
Hello:
The problem is that you don’t know how Muslims believe in Porphet Mohamed and the man who do the cartoon picture didnt read alot about what has been written by respected Eastern People and please read what has been written with Eastern thinkers.
Such people are simply cant see the forest for the trees, they are unable to understand the situation rather they just yes-men do what others do but they want to be famous so they do it in a very shamful way.
He will lose sooner or later, i promise
Allow me to once again explain Danish law to anyone who wants to understand:
Some Muslims has asked the Danish government to punish Jyllands-Posten (JP) for publishing the drawings.
Please understand that no matter how much you hate the drawings, punishing the paper would be a violation of the Danish consitution.
In other words: Even of the government would like to punsih JP, it would be against Danish law, and the government would be punished.
I know – and I can understand – why many people feel hurt by the drawings, but why is it so difficult to understand that the government cannot punish the paper legaly? After all, Denmark is a country under the rule of law, and the courts decide who must be punished if anyone is to be punished.
One question:
If you think that you are entitled to change laws in Denmark that you do not aprove of, can I then change laws in som of the Middle Eastern countries that I find offensive:
- Stoning
- Lack of religious freedom for others than Muslims
- Death penalty
- Torture
- The cutting off of hands
- Whiping
Or does it only go one way?
My point is: Why can’t we just agree that we are all different?
All the response show ne thing
The apology was out of finincial pressure. not out of mutual understanding
I think more effort should be done to prevent the campaign against Islam and Muslims as a religion… Those who try to give idea about the follower of some religion are not doing it out of fun.. but out of hatred…This is obvious in this site.. those cliams that were made by some Danish people that they are polite nice people, are directly falsified by the majority of Danish people one this page who used Bad languge.. Those claimes that tese drawing are out of fun is directyl reuted by the onging accusation that Islam and Muslims are criminals..So thse Pics have one goal -which is not test the freedom of speach in Turkey for example- they ere set only to hurt Muslims ..to warn the Danish people of them
For Turkey issue.. I think every country has the right to respone if his people wew addressed by an inslute as a race or as a religion…non of the accusation against Jesus or Moses or the danish king was about (the whole followers of Christianity are dangerous)…it is ok that you accuse Muslims of being ignorant, not weel educted ,,etc… But terrorism is something else!
For the Immigrants..
1)- The palistinians are immgrants becasue the whole Western world assisted Jews in occupying ther land…. give them back thier land and they will no longer be imigrants!
2) all over the wourld Immigrants are not well educated..and most of them are criminals..Say Mexicians in USA..but does that mean all the People in Mexico are terrorists???
for those who say : we have favour on you, you live in our country annd we feed u ..bla bla bla
I have tow things for you:
1) I my self live in KSA… and if – God forbid !- i have to travel to any country other than Islamic countries.. I will never think of going to a country that produces diary only!!!
2) I have a solution for us.. Stop supporting tyrans,,,stop canceling out any democratic election that ends with some in power who is Not on ur side -like the trials of Bush to cancel the palestinan electiosn, or the cnceling of France to the Algerian elections, or the falsification tha happend in Iraqi elections, or Egyptian elections… Stop opposing any development we achieve and acting against us -Like Musharraf’s coup d’etat aganst Nuaz sharif who started a new era in Pakistani secince…and then judge us!!
LATEST NEWS:
The French daily, “France Soir” has just reprinted the cartoons in defence of free speech.
They’ve included a drawing of their own. It depicts an angry Muhammad (pbuh), other prophets, Jesus and Buddah. And Jesus says: “Don’t be so pissed off, Muhammad, the rest of us have been in many cartoons already…”
It is no business of the Moslim world what Danes do in Denmark under Danish law.
If someone applies for Danish citizenship, he must accept that theese rules apply to him too, or he should renounce his citizenship and leave the country.
The Danish parliament can never accept religious interference. Moslim or Christian or whatever.
In the Western World, governments do not tell newspapers what or what not to write.
If a few Moslim extremists in Denmark wants Moslim law and Moslim culture, they should have choosen another country.
A French newspaper has just published the same cartoons, to manifest freedom of speech and in solidarity with freedom of speech worldwide.
Let me say one thng
Saudi is like Vatican for christians.. there are no Christian citizined there.. 100% muslims… the worker and visitors are alloed to worship what they like..- Even Hinud people- but not in Public.. No chuches are allowed ..and in Vatican there is No Mosques!!
No body will day: u have to be a Muslim… But no body is allowed to deform the islamic view of the country
In France – they don’t Freedom of Speach or of practising religions..people are n’t allowed to show any religous aspect or behavior At schools, at work .. but not at home! The same is KSA!
it seems that the Danish people are just as intolerate and arrogant as thier American fellows… They speak and never read..We already responsed to all of ur questions in this page… but in vain!!
educated people???!! doubt it!
A comment Dodo #178 and 179 – it’s great that you want to give your opinion (but sometimes it’s very difficult to understand your english, hmm)
I just saw that not only the France Soir but also the German paper Die Welt have published the infamous drawings – can we see a boykutt plz!!!
I also just read that butter is running out in Saudi Arabia!!! Arla had 65% of the market for butter so soon Saudis will have no butter to put on their bread, hehe.
And you don´t want to visit a country that only produces dairy products – well come to Denmark! We have one of the most high tech industries in the world. A huge export of pc-games, security-systems (much of which is bought by Arab customers), Internet-based products. Oh.. and I forgot… oil! Not to mention alternative energy sources.
So I have a question – not only to Dodo but to all Moslems, who will not understand and conform to democracy: Why do you emigrate to western Democracies, if you do not like the rules and laws?
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in Saudi arabia there are big factories for producing Milk and butter…but the population is over 30 millions!! and it is in a dry area… The oter products of KSA are palstics, furnatures, paints, very big Glass facotries and some other industies..In UAE we have a very developed techincal industry – there is a CITY for ternet companies!!- I advise u to go on a tour on internet to see more!
Egypt has so many factories, indcluding Car’s! so does Syria…Iraq WAS even more developed before it was demolished by the Alliance in 1992..
I told U..U never read!
for my english…. natural since :
1- I am of turkis origin who was born ad leavd in Middle East
2- This site doesn’t allow corrctions!
Finnisg and Icelandic papers defends free speech as well by printing the drawings.
#178
Denmark is to Danes what Mekka is to Moslims.
Our freedom allows moslims to settle here.
We allow moslims to practice – also in public.
No one says you must comform to Christianity – but we allow no one to deform our democratic way of life or freedom of speech.
I just claim the same rights that you claim.
Dodo is the one who is intolerant: You want us to live by your rules in our own country! Saudis live by Saudi rules in Saudi Arabia. Of Course.
I think this man -Jonas Gahr Støre – has mind to think with!
The left-wing government in Norway apologizes to Muslims worldwide for the publication of twelve Muhammad cartoons in the Norwegian newspaper Magazinet. Oslo sent out instructions to all the Norwegian embassies on how to respond to queries about the cartoons. Unlike the Danish government, the Norwegian government is not concerned about safeguarding the right to freedom of expression. Foreign Minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, a leading member of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s Workers’ Party, wrote the following e-mail to the Norwegian embassies:
I am sorry that the publication of a few cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet has caused unrest among Muslims. I fully understand that these drawings are seen to give offence by Muslims worldwide. Islam is a spiritual reference point for a large part of the world. Your faith has the right to be respected by us.
The cartoons in the Christian paper Magazinet are not constructive in building the bridges which are necessary between people with different religious and ethnic backgrounds. Instead they contribute to suspicion and unnecessary conflict.
Let it be clear that the Norwegian government condemns every expression or act which expresses contempt for people on the basis of their religion or ethnic origin. Norway has always supported the fight of the UN against religious intolerance and racism, and believes that this fight is important in order to avoid suspicion and conflict. Tolerance, mutual respect and dialogue are the basis values of Norwegian society and of our foreign policy.
Freedom of expression is one of the pillars of Norwegian society. This includes tolerance for opinions that not everyone shares. At the same time our laws and our international obligations enforce restrictions for incitement to hatred or hateful expressions.
#175
Now you are loosing perspective totally:
The alliance freed Kuwait in 1992 after Saddams invasion. They were asked to do so by the Kuwaiti leaders and the Saudi leaders, who feared, that they would be next on Saddams list. These are historical facts.
Do you really think that the Alliance could operate in your area without permission from the strongest leader in the region?
They were asked to help.
Since you are of Turkish origin.
Are you proud of the way Turkey treated the Kurds (they have resisting the same way Palestinians resist), and are you proud of Saddams geniside om Kurds by Chemical warfare? Are you proud og Saddam violent surpression of political oppesition? Are you proud of Saddams sons demonic behaviour against other Iraquis?
You called Iraq a more develloped country before Saddam was crushed!
Dodo
you are indeed beginning to sound like you are either stupid, lesser intelligent or totally hardheaded.
Or maybe your english just aint good enough for you to understand what others have been trying to explain to you in a sober tone of voice for veeeeeeeeeryyyyy long now.
Most of what you say simply just reveals that YOU don’t read any of the other mails, cause if you did you would soon find out that most in here that cannot debate without death threats or namecalling are muslims, with a few exceptions ( and he hasn’t written in a while)
Secondly. I am a christian and couldn’t care less about the vatican.
(Which is a small part of a larger city and not a country)
If you want to talk about the most holy place for christians it is Jerusalem which we all know inhabits people of all beliefs.
You even have a mosque right on top of the most holy place for jews ( a place that is as holy for the jews as the stone in Mecca is for you) This place was holy for the jews long before there were any muslims in the country.
Long before the jews were thrown out of Israel in the first place.
Anyway…feel free to be a muslim in our holiest place, Jerusalem.
And I do indeed read everything, and I can see from the answers from other danes in here that they do too.
Everybody here do nothing but try to answer your questions again and again and again……
By the way…Im sure that if you came to the vatican state with a quran under your arm no one would behead you or torture you, like they do in saudi arabia.
And one more… why do you kill muslims that convert into christianity which quite a few does in case you didnt know. They all fear for their lives. Is this respect for other beliefs..I dont think so.
Im so angry of being humiliated by a reporter who offended to our messanger muhmmad( peace be upon his name.)………
Why did he do that? He passed our islamic boundries and doesnt care for results…
We used to respect every religion because of our great qualites which we got from muhmmaed (peace be upon his name)…
Denemark claimed that everyone has a diffrent opinion that he can expresses… they took this point as a freedom which everyone can do it..who can accept this offence to our messanger muhmmad??
Where is the justice???why do we respect denish and their belives and they dont ???who dare to humlate a messanger from our god???
Why the denish magazine didnt think what is going to happen???
That magazine is causing a big lost for its country up to millions because of an unwell cartoons…
Most of muslims declare to avoid denish products..
Also business men are prohib denish products to enter their markets… we wont accept your apology.. how could you do this???to messanger who brought alot to our world…if you studed about muhmmad (peace be upon his name) you would bear there is no god but allah and muhmmad is a messanger of allah.. look for muslims sence muhmmad (peace be upon his name) age. I m sure you wont wait any moment to choose islam as a religion for you.. keep thinking of islam,…our god allah said in holly quran “any one will choose any religion accept islam it wont be accepted and he will be a loser) keep thinking..
You wont lose anything..you wont waste your ttime ..its the right religion..i said my world to my world..
Again you are the voice of reason, Luna.
And you Dodo; you didn’t answer my question – why do so many Moslem emigrate to western democracies if you cannot accept the laws of democracy?
And another question: What does the Quran say on living and judging by the Sharia laws? I ask because I haven’t read your holy book (I haven’t read most of the Bible either).
I know that many Moslem regimes have or are thinking about conforming to Sharia laws – and we have all heard stories (and seen images) of women being stoned for having extramarrital sex (even if they were raped!!!!!!!!!)
I believe as a sign of solidarity , every single news paper in Europe should publish these cartoon with a clear comments , this is only a cartoon pictures which has been made by individuals to represent their own pinioning and to show the world that there is still a free country and a place where a person can say or write what he want without the fear of been headed by a maniac or psycho.
The cartoon should be widely circulated and published till people accept it and see that there was nothing wrong in it . it is just a photo ,
Personally I believe if you attack it so much it mean you either agree that it is true , or afraid that it will uncover some thing worse which you are afraid from .
More over ,even if the Muslims get millions apology , they know deep inside them that we do not mean it , and we will always demand our freedom
To Abdulmalek #187. What the ….! Islam is a religion of peace, prosperity and TOLERANCE!!!!! Now hear me use your arguments.
Christianity is the one true religion – if you only read the bible or speak to a true priest, you will convert to this one true faith. All other religions are based on lies. Jesus Christ was our saviour and he will raise again to ask the infidels to convert to the one true faith!!!!
why did attack our religion ???
why do you think muslims are nuts,foolish and much more ?
why did they publish denish cartoons ?where is others respecting??
we are a peaceful people..we are muslims…we hate to be traeted in bad…where is the justice for these cartoons????who will juge that?
i hope you will give me a quick answer from denish magazine..
TO HEIDI H >>>>>>>
can you give me any proof that proves that cristianity is the real religion with tooo many discus????????please?????such as miracles.
I was trying to prove a point her, Abdulmalek!!! I was using your arguments to prove, that Islam (or perhaps rather some Moslems) are not as tolerant as your claim to be.
Christianity is just as true as Islam – I can give as many proofs of miracles in the Christian faith as you can in the Islamic faith.
And Jesus was a carpenter – Mohammad a shopkeeper!
I have a very good Moslem frien – but until now we haven’t really discussed religion. She is furious with the islamic fundamentalists who do not know how to react other than in a violent and hateful way. And I am furious with all fundamentalists (be they Christian, Buddhist, Animists, Satanists or whatever) who only know hatred and violence
Oh, and by the way – thank you Moslem boykotters!!! Now an anti-boykott movement is starting everywhere (even in Egypt!!!). Our supporters have started a buy-danish-product-campaign – and they have a higher pruchasing power than most Moslems. So we will actually se a rise in Danish exports. Thank you again
#191 Ahmed – nobody has attacked your religion!
It’s so sad that you don’t understand it.
The Moslim delegation, who presented the cartoon to the people in The Middle East without the article of which they were a part, also presented other cartoons, that nobody else have seen.
They attacked your religion. They brought the cartoons to your country – not the Danes.
Punish the people who brought them to you, and let us live the way we want to, as we let you.
Articles including cartoons of politicians, artists, tradesmen and many others are a part of our traditional newspapering, which also may include cartoons about the church and Jesus (our savier).
The self esteem among some Moslims must be very low, since any mentioning is understood as an attack.
However, fell as you like. In my country you are entitled to do so.
#185
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn’t say Saddam was Good.. I said Iraq was developed before it was demolished by the alliance!! whether allowed by the region leaders or not..1.5 million Iraqi chiled were died becasue of the embargo on Iraq..that no body could prove it to have a weapn of mass distruction… All the Un inspectors said that it is free of WMD since 1995.. but yet the embargo was force on Iraq for 12 years!!
ur comment show clearly my point….U try to ditort my point to show me as a terrorist..the same thing the Danish news paper did..
But I am used to this… I have a long relationship with the Americans even before 11/9
ok – this is funny
seems like Muhammed have been portraid for the last 500 years without this bitching
for intence a norwegean guy brought a picture on the street in Iran in 2001… hmmm
so what is this .- just some muslims who need to yell a bit ?
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
look for your self – lots of islamic pics of muhammed
a warning and an apologize
I recieved a warning that some non-Danish people (fanatic extremests form israel and USA mainly) are trying to enterinternet forums and speak in the name of Danish people to escalate the Racist Cartton issue and get a deeper misunderstanding Between muslims and the West
Addressing my fellow Muslimsa dn Any rational Danish here
Try not to be drifted by hate…
For this I apologize for Any Danish-who beleive in the freedom of speach, yet beleive in the need for mutual respect and understanding – whom I might have hurt by my words!
But please remember… It is daily on TV since 1990…
MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!
For Heidi .. you said:
(I know my opinion doesn’t matter much; I am a woman, so perhaps 50% of Moslems will not listen to me… even though my IQ is at least 50% higher than theirs.)
Well ..I dont know where the hell u got this idea from??!! why it is not important? There are many leaders, ministers and mayors in the Arab countries that are women? search http://www.islamonline.com for more about women in Islam!
a comment by MSN!!
Updated: 8:44 a.m. ET Feb. 1, 2006
PARIS – A French newspaper reprinted on Wednesday a series of 12 Danish newspaper cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed that have sparked protests in the Muslim world and prompted Saudi Arabia to recall its ambassador from Denmark.
With a mounting diplomatic storm, calls for a boycott of Danish goods and flag-burning protests, Danish security police met Muslim religious leaders in a bid to contain any domestic reaction to cartoons first run by the Jyllands-Posten paper.
Police said they had won a pledge from Denmark’s imams to work to prevent an escalation of the row while the France Soir daily said it had published the cartoons in the name of freedom of expression and to fight religious intolerance.
“Because no religious dogma can impose its view on a democratic and secular society, France Soir publishes the incriminated cartoons,” the paper said.
Under a headline “Yes, we have the right to caricature God,” the paper ran a front page cartoon with Buddha, the Christian and Jewish Gods and the Prophet Mohammed sitting on a cloud above Earth, with the Christian God saying: “Don’t complain Mohammed, we’ve all been caricatured here.”
France Soir, which is in financial difficulties and looking for a buyer, devoted two inside pages to the Danish cartoons, with editor Serge Faubert unapologetic.
“Enough lessons from these reactionary bigots! There is nothing in these incriminated cartoons that intends to be racist or denigrate any community as such,” he wrote in a commentary.
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I like teh part “”which is in financial difficulties and looking for a buyer”"
fine MSN ..u are not biased!
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/
Sorry it took me a couple of hours to come back – i was sitting calmly at my desk, drawing Muhammad when suddenly i received a bomb threat!!!
Dodo: I am glad to hear you respect my opinion – it’s just that…. I’ve been called whore and dumbass and many other things by some children of Moslem immigrants here in Denmark, so excuse me for stereotyping. Obviously not all Moslems are ignorants and obviously there are many racists amongst westeners. The conclusion is: Stereotypes are very, very dangerous.
A hugely clever comment from you was: MUTUAL RESPECT!
It is just very difficult given today’s situation. Ofcourse there are both hindu and buddhist terrorists – this doesn’t change the fact that about 95% of all terrorists are Moslems.
And about freedom of Speech again: I do not remember the exact time but it was certainly within the last 2 or 3 years, an organization in Denmark invited a leader from Chechnya, Sakhayev, to come to Denmark to speak about the situation in Russia/Chechnya. The Russians did NOT like this and asked the government to stop Sakhayev from speaking – the government couldn’t and wouldn’t because we in Denmark have freedom of speech!!!
And by the way: not even the Russians responded with a boycott!
LATEST NEWS:
Abu Laban, imam in Denmark and representative in the delegation that went to the Midlle East to present the cartoons said to Danish TV that he would do all he could to solve the situation. ONE HOUR later he said til AlJazeera that he was glad for the boycott.
He speaks with two tongues. Is he trustworthy? Does anyone trust him? What other lies has he told? This is not an attack on Moslims, but an attack on a liar!
it is so disgusting,in my opinion, to watch all this reaction for the published pictures…Muslims,for many centuries,are known to be intolerant of any new ideas..it is a stinky culture that prohibited the simplist symbols of freedom…it of no surprise to realize that the roots for the retarded arab world these days came from religion and history…if you look nowadays,you will see many countries to be ruled under one man or family;you can’t breathe,talk,eat,watch TV,have sex or even shit without being watched..the leader of any country is like “the living God” who should not be questioned or critisized…for millions of muslim people to be led like sheeps like that is really of no surprise….the Islam is a “one man” religion..for centuries;the caliphs(the prophet successors) were treated like eternal people;if one dies;his sone will rule;if you object ,you will die..Don’t tell me that islam was the word religion;everybody knows that only by sword it was..the muslim history is built on bloodshed,fights and obsession…there is no problem ,if you don’t like the pictures but to threaten someone;that is too much…muslims in US and Europe are millions,they supposed to be there for different reasons(running away,money,education and freedom as everyone says)..if you don’t like what is in the newspapers,then go back to your country and practice your religion the way you like..it is not freedom to threaten some one if you don’t like what he is saying…..salaam
by the way.
Just heard on the news that not only France, but Germany, Italy, Great Brittain, Iceland, Spain and some other countries I dont remember chose to print Muhammed drawings to send out the signal that we will not tolerate that our freedom of speech and democracy is threatened by other countries.
I am anxious to see if these countries will be boycotted now and if all the ambassadors are called home. Or if they are satisfied with the one scapegoat they found (Denmark) and leave the other countries, who did the same thing, alone.
By the way… all the small magazines and newspapers which has no teeth like JP tries to come over the wave to sell more copies..this has nothing to do with Freedom of speach
We boycutt Denmark Government for its bad responde to Islamic coutries ammbassadors.. not for the Publishing!
In Sweden ..in USA, in Germany .. many fanatic people try to attack minorities.. cults and religions, but the governmetn soon responde ..in DK..this never happend till the situation was escalated
If only the PM said: we apologize for the publishing that might have hurt the feelings of some of our citizins -saving the rest of Muslims- and then told the News Paper not to do that again becasue it increased hatered felling.. it will be OK ..If he said that He is sad or angery but can do nothing – just as the Other Scandinavian countries did – we might excues him.. But refuseing to meet with ambassadors and Muslims representatives is an action of disrespect.. which gave the feeling that he agrees upon this pics
However, Human Rights Organization has the case now..let us wait!
# 201
u have to remember that 95% of occupation all over the world was done bY the west on an islamic territories!!
95% of injustic is on Muslims..
95% of Tyrans are controling islamic countries, supported by the US, France and UK..
remember in 1985..Saddam was western ally.!! they gave him WMD!
This just keeps getting better!! Because, In Islam we are asked to deliver the message to all mankind, the message should be deliverd in a wise way not by voilance or any other forcing factors. But, the advantage that Islam is getting out of this tragedy now, is that more people tend to learn about Islam and the chances for more people to embrace Islam increases. We all know the impacts of 9/11 on Islam, poeple were trying to understand what Islam is all about and why Muslims would attack America. In fact, I was told that The holy Qura’an was best selling book in US at that time!! I don’t know the integrity of this statment, but I know islamic centers and Mosques in US have reported an increase in the number of people embracing Islam.
Back in the 70s or 80s not too many people knew about Islam, in fact some people in the west thought it’s a name for a dance or something
. But, as Islam is being fought and blamed for actions done by minorities in Muslim’s communities, Islam is raising as statistics show that Islam is the fasted growing religion in the World.
Now, don’t judge Islam by the action of Muslims. Unfortunatly, Islam is being misrepresented by many Muslims today, and that’s normal as the case in every religion, you can’t say all christians or Jews are practising thier faith properly or as they should. But, the problem is any wrong action is done by Muslims, Islam is the one on trial! Let’s say the actions are done by Muslims, these Muslims are minorities, they way they think doesn’t even represent .5% of Muslims today, In fact If you go live in one of the Muslim countries you will find out that the majority of Musims are critisizing the way some groups act in killing inocent people, you can’t blame 1.4 billion for it! because if you, you fall in streotyping.
My message to all respected participants here like, HEIDI H, Hammerhead and LUNA don’t judge Islam by Muslims today, get to know Islam from the original source Kora’an or want to know about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) read his sayings and biography.
This link has some articles about what non-muslim authors had to say about Muhammad, I URGE you to have a look at them:
“WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT MUHAMMAD?”
http://al-sunnah.com/pdf/WAMY4.pdf
“Muhammad the messanger of Islam”
http://www.islamhouse.com/en/books/pdf/3787.pdf
207# And Osama Bin Laden was US ally from 1979 to 1988 fighting the Soviet
if you are an adult and you died…you will go to hell..
thats our god says in holly quran….
so…..bibles are spoiled since before muhmmad (peace uponn his name)
do you think its a freedom to make fun of others belives.
the danish people made fun of our messenger the man we belive in will be a reson for us to go to paradise..
its not fun to make messengers cartoons..thats quite wrong..and we are not going to make fun at jesis cuz he is already a messenger..
we respect jesis as well as muhmmed.. because he is our god messenger from(allah)
they thought the freedom is to do what they did…
i wont buy any denish products till death..
why are all muslims so dramatic? your reaction to any annoyance is death to this or that…. you’d make a good living writing scripts for soap operas or dramatic movies (b movies, that is). so, next time you feel the need to issue a fatwah or call in bomb threats or explode yourself among others, why don’t you instead sit down and work on a 21st century sequel to Casablanca?…..then get a massage.
TO HIDI H>>>>>
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY MOST HIV PATIENTS ARE NOT MULIMS???
I HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT HERE
BECAUSE MUHMMAD(PEACE UPON HIS NAME)PROHIBITED MULIMS TO ANY WORK SUCH AS RAPING AND MUCH MORE..
IF YOU DONT BELIVE IN ISLAM SO DONT SAY ISLAMIC RELIGION IS NOT RIGHT..
The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word “Islam” itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of “Allah” and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah’s “God’s” religion; the total submission to the will of Allah “God”. The Arabic word “Islam” means the submission or surrender of one’s will to the only true god worthy of worship “Allah” and anyone who does so is termed a “Muslim”, The word also implies “peace” which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah.if you said I bear there is no god but ALLAH and muhmmad is a messenger of alah you our god will forgive your sins you made then you would be as a new born……
study islam..read about it…
determine to go and buy some islamic books or visit islamic web sites….
please visit::
http://www.wefound.org/texts/Muhammad_files/MuhammadAdherencetoIslam.htm
abdulmalek,
so, if you in do in fact believe that the word muslim ‘implies peace’, explain to me the act of suicide bombings where other innocent muslims are killed……..
Firstly, in response to # 96 objektive,
I said a National Newspaper “apparently linked” to the ruling party in Denmark. I could not verify the information, that is why I used the word apparently. I do realise – surprisingly enough- that most democratic countries do not control newspapers or the Media. I say most and not all, because as we all know pressure can be put on the media to ‘portray‘ things as the government would like them to be portrayed. Like in the great U.S of A, the land of the free, where the media is not allowed to show the American people images of the coffins of their dead soldiers, or to focus on the numbers of the dead. And the country where the Born Again Christian preacher, who once called the Prophet Muhammad a terrorist, gets chastised for saying Sharon deserved having a stroke for pulling out of Gaza, and is then commanded to give a public apology, which he most surely does.
So excuse me for my mistake. But again it doesn’t really matter. For me personally, I’m done with this issue. The paper apologised, so as far as I’m concerned, the issue has ended. Of course, their European counterparts have hopped on to the bandwagon, and are crusading to protect the civilised world’s right to “freedom of speech”.In an act of solidarity, that brongs a tear to the eye, and a pang in the heart. In the end it is just ink on paper. It does not taint Muhammad (pbuh). So the drawings were never the issue for me. It was what they represented.
I don’t understand why Europe is all out to protect their freedom of speech. We are not attacking your right to open your mouths and articulate. In fact, no one has the power to do that. But in the end everyone has a choice. The newspaper made the choice to publish the cartoons that offended over a billion people. If it was their right under Danish law, then it is definitely our right to show you that we found them offensive. (again, calmly and without weird death threats, or misspelled curses). Maybe you don’t understand why they offended the Muslim world, maybe you don’t understand why laser guided missiles offend the Iraqi’s. That’s not our problem, because the fact is, they clearly do.
Now I would like to add, that many of us in the Middle East, realise that Denmark and Norway, are some of the more tolerant countries in the region. And that in the past they have spoken out in favour of the Palestinians, and against war in the region. And we do appreciate that. We also realise that not every opinion expressed in the media or even here is a representation of the opinions of the masses. So we would appreciate it if you would do the same.
Finally, there’s just one last thing I would like to get out of my system. Saudi Arabia, has some of the largest, if not the largest dairy farms in the region. Admittedly, Danish butter is good, but Almaraii butter is not that bad either. Not that it really matters to me, I’m lactose intolerant.
In the Moslim world, Islaam is a fully integrated part of everyday life, e.g. business, family life, politics, newspapers.
In the Western World it is not.
That’s what causing all the difference.
Cartoons brought in a Danish newspaper in Denmark is internal Danish, and apply to Danish culture and law.
Some idiots took the cartoons to The Middle East.
Blame the two-tongued idiots who did it. They are extremist Moslims who wants chaos and trouble.
What is meant by ISLAM?
Fight against non muslims untill they turn to Islam or kill them. (Koran 9:5)
Kill a Muslim if he leaves his religion. (Hadith)
Beat your wife if she doesn’t obey you. (Quran 4:34)
Beat your children if they don’t offer prayer. (Hadith)
Cut hands and feet of a thief. ..
Stone to death to a person having sex…
and much more…
Is it a peaceful religion? no and never it can be.. It is a ruthless cult..and deserves complete eredication.
Haji
former Muslim
Pakistan
Extreemist Jews, Moslims and Christians want confrontation, in order to spread out their own message. They don’t care who fall victim.
People with commom sence must not allow them to carry on with it.
When westeners go to e.g. Saudi Arabia, they must accept and respect the rules and standards there.
When Moslims go to the West, they must accept and respect the rules and standards there.
No one should bring blasphemic or insulting material or propaganda to the others countries.
Moslims must accept western life in the west and the west must accept Moslim life in the east.
Thats how simple it is.
#210
Abdulmalek..Note that 90% of the Danish people -according to a danish post are infidel .. they beleive in no God.. and for them religous matter is a backword step for humanty…so it is in vain to talk abou sacard prophets..they already made fun of Jesus and God himself… nothing sacard fro them!!
#219
Accept the difference and learn to live with it. We find many things disgusting with Islaam, as you may find it with our life. Live your life where you are, and accept the same for us.
Haji #217 pinpointed some of the things where we seriously differ.
To Dodo
In Denmark, our freedom of expression is more important than any prophet. I doubt you’ll understand that, though.
- but understand this:
most westeners have never been to the middle east. All they know is how moslems behave in our country, and what we see on TV:
5% of our population are immigrants of which moslems are only a part.
20% of our inmates i prisons are moslems.
Does this make all moslems criminals? No of course not. But why them? They dont accpt our life, but they want to stay in our country. Why?
#216
it is a Danish internal thing…Hatred to Muslims imposed by Danish media is intolarable..that is what made the Danish muslim community ask to meet the Prime minister, who refused..then they had to ask the help from thier original countries..which they carry thier nationality yet.. and this is legal..
Just like what the Jews always do!!
I don’t see why when Roger Garaudy spoke about his suspicion about the Hulocost, he was taken to the court …any one who speak against the isralies is taken to the court for beeing antisemetist!!!
if it was not a Danish internal issue – a direct campaign held by the Danish media against the Islamic community – then we won’t care.. and yes.. Islam was deformed and Muhammad (PBUH) was protrayed or even caricatured… but by individuals .. which is the case for the other neglicable European newspapers!!
The Islamic community in Sweden or Norway didn’t responde to the publishing of the pics.. becasue -Unlike the Danish government – the Swedish and Norway government does respect the feelings of Minorities
Don’t tell me that Danish media are anti-muslim as a general rule. The Danish television channel DR, which is watched in virtually every Danish household, is clearly left wing and pro-muslim. So is the Danish newspaper Politikken.
Your are totally distorted: 65% of the population are members of the church. Not 10% as you wrote.
The Danisk PM has held several meetings with the Danish Moslems. Over several years.
Now one of them appears to be talking with two tongues – a liar. What can he talk to him about?
The cartoons were not hatred – they were a part of something quite different – freedom of speech.
THIS HAS BEEN TOLD TO YOU SO MANY TIMES THAT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT BY NOW.
Are you totally beyond reach?
We will NEVER accept that religion decide what to say or not to say.
To Dodo #206. Apparantly you do NOT understand how democracy work!!! Our PM CANNOT excuse for, influence or in any other way stop any articles published by an independent paper!!!!!!!! Can you understand this. Here it is again: OUR PM DOES NOT HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON ARTICLES, DRAWINGS OR STATEMENTS PUBLISHED BY INDEPENDEPENDENT MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!! As he explained to several Arab newsmedia he himself is also often criticised by those independent media and he cannot do anything about it – this is how it works in a democracy. But then again – you would hardly understand this. Although many Moslem countries claim to be democracies they are not in any way secular and the press in any way free to speak.
Abdulmalek #212. An airhead speaking! Most HIV-cases not Moslem – yes in most western countries we are liberal and people can chose to live how they want – including having free sex. Africa and Asia have more HIV-cases than any other continent – because they are poor!!!!!!!!! Again I will use your arguments: the BIRD-FLU has mainly struck in Asian and Moslem countries – so this means that God and Jesus protects all Christians and punish Moslems!!!!
And Dodo #219: Point right!!! Nothing is sacred to us – we use everything that is important to us in every way (often with satire) to start a debate. Thank you for finally understanding this!!!
And Dodo #223. Yes you can come to Denmark and say that Holocaust didn’t claim as many victims as the history books say – because in Denmark we have free expression! There will obviously be many who will start a discussion with you and try to convince you otherwise – but you will not be boycotted or exposed to death threats (not even from Danish jews). You have a right to question everything as long as you obide the law!!!
Haji #217. Hmm, interesting. Are you Arab, African, Asian? I call myself Christian but I am not particularly religious – I don’t need a book to tell me how I can live happily.
So you are a former Moslem? And you haven’t been struck by lightning? Peace and happiness to you!
Right now Dodo you are enjoying rights you wouldn’t have in Saudi Arabia – freedom of speech!
You cannot critisice the king. Or his way of ruling the country.
But you can critisice something that is happening thousands of miles away.
Then I claim that women are not allowed to vote in your country, or even drive a car, and that is discrimination and against all human rights, you will have to defend it. It’s the kings law, and you are not allowed to dispute the king’s decision.
I’d rather have freedom of speech, even whem it hurts sometimes.
Are men and women equal Dodo? Do they have the same rights? If not, should they have the same rights?
I suggest you buy the Saudi newspaper Arab News (controlled by the government) and read it.
http://www.arabnews.com/
Especially headline “Danish imam……” and “Winners in Danish boycott……….”
I suppose that you trust your own newspaper?
Moslims want people to respect their religion. Yet they themselves show no respect towards the jews. Iran’s president even said that he wanted to see the state of Israel wiped off the map! Is that showing respect? Practice what you preach!
If you are so much against cartoons:
Look at the cartoon at the frontpage of
http://www.arabnews.com/
The man is blinded, so he can’t se democracy ond cuts himself instead.
Arab cartoon in an arab newspaper, controlled by the arab governement.
Is the guardian of the holiest of moslim places wrong?
#232
Let me state this again
we have no problem with Jews as a religion followers… but mind that our main enemy is israel..which happened to be a racist Jews state..
in Israel ..nonisraelis and non jews are subhumans who have no right..the original owners of most of Jerusalem houses (the Palestinians) are not allowed even to fix thier houses..and any one who try to fix his house wil find him self saluting an Israelian boldozer ..that will demolish his house…so when we talke about the Israelis .. we talk about a POLITICAL ENEMY rather than a RELIGOUS ENEMY…we don’t care whether Jews are good or Bad…we care that they occupied our land
#226
Appearnly you don’t understand the difference between AFFECTING and BEING RESPONSIBLE..
I can’t stop people (Muslims and nonmuslims) from critisizing one another… but when it comes to racism and hate incitation ..discriminate beased on religous, racial or cultural base..I think the government should have a controll.. It is no good to say: Ok it is a freedom of speach… and leave thing escalate… However, I think the Busniess sect in Danemark are more cleaver and are far better understanding the game of (freespeach Vs National security and international mutual respect)or at least |9International mutual interests)!!
If I will leave things to be solved by the Natur of Discussion without monitoring it..I will end with more escalation and more hatred.. I am talkng about a governmet that one of its priorities is soocial safity…i don’t care about the freedom of speach of JP..since it incites hatred..some action should be done!
I do have the right to carry a gone… But don’t have the right to use it.. understood?
for KSA : 1# it is not my country .. I live here for a pireod of time.. Studing at http://www.KFUPM.edu.sa rating amoung the best 500 unis all over the world.
2# the thing that you want me to be ashamed of is the very thing that I am proud of..
first ..yes i can and have already critisized the King.. but using bad language is prohibied .. while it is not in Denmark..
Here in the ME..we have a rule: Either u say something useful..or keep silent
If u have an argument..say it.. but using caricatures and bla bla is not always allowed..
Now the morals that you want me to adobt are the very morals that I warn my son not to adobt
1- I don’t want my son to think that he has the right to inslut others..Using bad language or sarcasm is not a part of our moral system… while it is in yours..nothing sacard
2- I want him to be sensitive.. I want him to feel sorry to hurt the others.. i watn him to watch his mouth! while you want me to be insensitive and hurt other without regreting!!!
3- I want him to be as brave as to defend him self aganist those who inslut him… while you want me to take it easy!!
the funny thing is that when I critisize the western civilization.. western people get frustrated ??? why?
it is freedom of speach!
to abdul malek # 212
Sounds good. Then explain to me why most rapes here are done by muslim youths ( gangrapes) and why an Imam in my country excuse it by saying it is womens own fault if they don’t wear a head veil.
Did Muhammad say that rapes are against the law except if the woman is a non muslim?
As for rest of Europe bringing the pictures.
They did it to stand up for western democracies and freedom of speech as well. In solidarity with Denmark. But I guess it would be too much for you all to boycot all of Europe, so you just come up with some lame excuse why you only boycot little Denmark…. let me guess. The other countries are too big and scary. You allready found the enemy of the months, and we all know that you need an enemy too feel good about yourself.
For your information. Most danish muslims feel very embarrased about the muslim countries and their primitive behavior.They think they are acting way out of proportion. They actually plan to go to the muslim countries to ask them to stop. It is hurting them as well.
Most muslims in Denmark, Except for a few maniacs. The ones who tell all the lies on arab news tv.
I really wish you all werent so cencured down there, It would give you a much wider world view and much more understanding and clarity as to what is really going on.
another question.
Is it according to the quran ok for a man to sleep around all that he wants untill he get married?
They do here.
Actually they often use naive danish girls in love. Tell them all kinds of crap about love and marriage. The poor girl believes it, give herself to the young man even though he NEVER intended to marry her in the first place.
Who is the jerk?
You are so terribly misinformed about westerners and western peoples moral, that it cries out to Heaven.
Most of us are monogamous just like everybody else.
As for myself, I would never and have never just slept around with men, like you claim we do.
I am married and intend to be with my husband for the rest of my life!!!
( wow I feel myself getting more and more mad and frustrated)
It is not true that women in the muslim world dont get raped. We have hundreds of exsamples told by muslim women who dare speak up about it in the west.
You just dont know about it, again it is because you do NOT have freedom of speech and are basically only told what the government wants you to hear.
A Jordanian newspaper (al-Shihan) brought the cartoons asking:
Does this more harm to islaam than a hostagetaker cutting an americans throat on open TV? Or suicidebombing a muslim wedding party in Amman?
Again Dodo: Doesn’t it in the end all come down to this – Moslems (particularly in the Arab world) are angry because they think those drawings were ment as an insult to the Prophet Mohammad. And Danes are angry because you are trying to influence our freedom of speech. And I respect your upbringing of your son; that you want to teach him not to insult anyone. But in the West we choose to rather have a free debate than go around never to say anything because, God forbid, somebody should feel insulted!
I asked this question before: Why do so many Moslems emigrate to western democracies to live there and enjoy the various rights and freedoms when they know, that no holy person (including Mohammad) is above being depicted and used in public debate?!!!
Loving the Mohammed pictures!! Why shouldn’t the western press be able to print these pictures, we live in free democracies, somrthing i suppose the Muslim world doesnt quite understand. This is just another example of the growing fanaticism in the Muslim world. Perhaps the first comment on this page from the ‘altaf’ guy best demonstrates this.
I can imagine for worse things are printed in Muslim newspapers and magazines about the Pope or Jewish religious leaders, yet whenever it is something affecting Islam they take it all out of proportion.
The idea that pple are goin to boycott Denmark over this is rediculous, i for one will not do so, and if anything be more supportive fo Denmark for its commitment to free speach.
And another fact: I don’t question that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world – but not because of convertions, no. Moslem women simply have more children then non-Moslem women. Only most Moslem women who emigrate to the West with their families do not have as many children as their sisters in their native countries.
and to DODO
YES THIS IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH
YES IT IS ALSO OK TO GET FRUSTRATED. BOTH YOU AND I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO. IT IS, HOWEVER NOT OK TO KILL; BOMB OR THREAT PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINE that you teach your son to feel good about himself. Fine that you teach him to respect others.
Teach him to feel so good about himself that he dont need to start world war three if somebody offends him. This is a sign of NOT feeling good about yourself!.
I too feel bad about when I see my God Jesus being ridiculed. Dont ever think that Muhammed means more to you than Jesus means to me.
I base my whole life upon a relationship with him.
However it is not my business what other people do or think about him.
It is my business to not disrespect him myself.
However I accept that there are people who do not believe that He is the son of God and therefore dont have the same respect.
I cannot force them too. I can tell them that it hurts me, but I would NEVER start a war over it or let myself be filled with hatred.
Jesus told us to love our enemies. To pray for them and not curse them. That revenge belongs to God NOT man. that as the prophets before Him and himself have been persecuted so will we,( and this is what happens in many parts of the world) and that we should not think that we can avoid it when he could not. He also says that when we are persecuted, not to hate and kill but to always fight evil with love.
Since you think he is a prophet maybe you should read about him in new testament and learn about his teachings on forgiveness and love.
Since you believe that Jesus spoke about Muhammed when He talked about the spokesman coming after him, then why are their teachings so different from each other?
The spokesman Jesus told about is the Holy Spirit. Read New Testament and you will see.
He said that he is the alpha and omega, beginning and the end. Only way to salvation. There will be no one after him. The holy spirit (the spokesman) is the spirit og God. Not a man.
Jesus is God coming to Earth in human form to save us from ourself. This explains the Trinity.
We too don’t believe in more than one God. But we believe that The Father, the Son and the Holy spirit are all the SAME GOD. But in different forms.
This is the best way I can explain. I am not God, therefore I cannot figure Him out totally. Therefore I do not understand everything about God and Why. Nobody does. It takes God to understand this
#for Luna
I hardly find any thing to respond to in your words..nothing but irrational satments by by a frustrated women
However, the governments in the rest of euroup didn’t support the newpapers and the newspapers are not NATIONAL and are not considered CLOSE to the ruling party… i hope u got it!
and Yes.. we finally found the victem of the month.. a boycotting will result in a disastroph cunsquenses in teh Danish economy.. finaly reaching a point where they abandone freedom of speach and come to be Civilized Human being again..who respect the other and recognize cultural differences.. what is saccard for the others is a red line that should not be attacked on a govermental level..
May be victimizing Denmark will give more strength to minorities in the west to ask for thier freedom of faith that was passedby under the flag of freedom of speach
for the rest of the women issue… let us examine the virgine girl precentage in the west, and that of the ME… an see if ur statement is correct!!
also.. let us see how many girls are decepted by Muslims and those who volunteerly give them selves to Muslims…
or let us do something else
go to yahoo directory.. search for WOEMN + NUDE
see how many estern girl shows her nude body on her profile… and convince me that this was done out of ISLAMIC deception
I have been in Germany in 1998…and i have seen how many (little girls) who were decipted by me… my supervisor told me to avoid the secratry of the chairman because :She thinks her self atrractive!!!!
try to use another argument… showing girls in the west as HUMAN ANGELS is nonsense that no one will believe
for those who might be hurt by this.. I am sorry… but trying to use the same ARGUMENTAL LEVEL as #339
Hi,
I am from India. Personally I dont beleive insulting
saints (call prophet for muslims) is good. But it is
our culture. But for muslims that is applicable only
for their religion. Other religions dont have a
last prophet and final word from GOD!!! fools
But muslims are a particular kind of thugs. They never
entered any country through peace. They destroyed an killed
millions and millions of our country to now make india
the second largest muslim population. Because our ancestors
are not murderers like muslims we are still suffering.
We recited the mantra “lokah samastah sukhinoo bhavantu”!!!!
(Let all the sentient and non-sentient beings in this
universe be happy” !!!! funny ist it..!!!!
That too to murders like muslims. They converted most of
our country at sword. They kept tax for being non-muslim
They pludered and destroyed millions of temples.
Then at last britishers came to spread their religion,
offcourse unlike dirty muslims they were just croocked and
cunning, not savage… If they had not come india would
be now be islamic jihadhist states just as pakistan.
West if u are listening, i repeat. Muslims are here for
a total destruction. Never trust them. They are never
for peace. Their peace is just like buying time until
they convert the whole world to islam offcourse through
their sword/hyper-reproductive terrorist engine way.
Point out any muslim country that dont support terrorism
except turkey. they all do.. either directly or indirectly
Our country is any way doomed to be destroyed by muslim
apeasing politicians… But west beware. These people
are ready to kill any millions and sacrifice any millions
of themself to convert the whole world to their junk
religion, which say if someone understand this religion
is not for me , he should be killed and never be allowed
to leave!!!!, pretty much like a savage form of communism”
But muslims, u forget that ur quest for world conversion
will be End of the World. But be assured, as someone said
“IF ISRAEL IS GONE, THEN BE ASSURED EVERYTHING IS GONE”.
If jews are such capable race… my congrats for them, for
this is only way to deal muslims, without being like muslims.
Israel has about 200 thermonuclear devices with them. They
could any day, put all muslims to inferno. Offcourse they
also will end. But still it is a fact that they dont do it.
They keep it for a second strike.
But I say to west, the day Iran become nuclear, israels
days are counted, not by nuclear missiles.. by millions
of islamic terrorist pigs. And if u venture hot-pursuit
we will go nuclear and that too it will be a terrorist
attack and muslims will defenitely condemn it..!!!
West always did divide and rule. Learn from us west.
Pakistan is doing the same to us. One day u will also
get the feel of it.
Where were all these sentimental muslims when Afgani pigs
taliban, blasted bamiyan budha statues made in AD600
something. Howmany human years of effort might have gone
in sculpting it. Why no muslim countries cried..
Why no west also cried… No these killer are in ur
door steps, just as they swallowed our country.
There are no moderate muslims. Externally they say peace.
Inside all want whole world to be converted into islam
at any means… If u deny, go close to any so called
most moderate muslim. U will know it first hand.
Finally if west need to deal muslims from destoying ur
country dont use double standards. Terrorist are terrorists
And islamic terrorists are like viruse. They destroy countries
one by one. They reproduce at 6 times the rate of common people
of same country to one day overwhelm them..
Use science and sharpen all the weapons against this enemy.
Because that day is soon approaching.
-if war if inflicted let there be war… for
war is for peace and peace is for war, it has
been continuing and will be continuing until
someone is remaining alive !!!
To Dodo#242: Here we see again – NO respect for anything non-Moslem. Many Moslem societies (I state not all) say that women always have to be partly or completely covered and they have to walk 3-5 steps behind their men – well that’s your faith and laws: I find it offensive and degrading to women. In the west if young people like eachother they make love – I find that beautiful – you find it disgusting. You claim to have seen examples of Pedofilia in Germany… Oh is there something you have missed – how old was that girl, that Mohammad married….. 9 years old?!!! And the average age of women (ie girls) when they marry in developing countries of which many are Moslem controlled – 12-16. Talk about pedofilia.
To Tachy: I am sorry on behalf of the British and of every European country (including Denmark) who ever had colonies – ofcource it was wrong, and I can only regret all the suffering of ppl in all colonies and dominions etc. I am not, however, surprised to hear your story. I have a friend from Macedonia – her story: She was born i a little village, 100% Catholic. A little Moslem family moved to this village and gradually they brought their cousins, grandparents, grandchildren, brothers-in-law, family of brothers-in-law to this village. After 10 years the village was 99% Moslem, because the Catholics had been herrassed into moving away.
But fear not. Islam may be the fastest growing religion in the world -for now! The fastest growing religion in China is Christianity – and China has the fastest growing population. In 30-50 years China will have world domination and Europe and the US and the Arab world will send suicide bombers to China whenever a Chinese person burns a flag! And then China will send it’s army of 800 million men (and women) and we will all be destroyed. UNITED IN THE END!!!
To Luna: How I do respect your faith! You are so firm in your faith that even if I should insult Jesus (which I won’t) you know in your heart that your faith will save you from anger. You do not need to make a violent statement because any infidel or atheist should choose to question your religion.
And to Hammerhead: If anyone here tries to see the point from both views it is you. You certainly take your time to read both Moslem and european papers and sites. Respect! And on top of that most of your arguments are solid.
If muslims are so offended by western attitudes i.e. democracy, freedom of speech, press & religion, the notion & practice of equality for men & women why do so many come (swarm!?) into western countries? Estimates state that there are 15-18 million in W. Europe (the W. euro-SSR!).
They take full advantage of western freedoms, so sadly lacking in their own countries of origin. Yet they bleat out the excuse of racism at the slightest criticism of their own behaviour & palable failure to integrate properly, placing adherence to their religion above any loyalty to their own countries of residence.
Generally you don’t see the same kind of problems between Christians, Jews, Hindus and non-believers. Ghandi was one big example for the rest of the world, and one of the most important persons and an example to follow.
You generally don’t see members of either of the above religions kill people on TV, suicide-bomb innocent people, take innocent aid-helpers as hostages.
I think Bush is right saying lets find alternatives to oil to reduce dependency of the Middle East.
To John U: your question #246 – I have asked this question half a dozen times now. And I still haven’t recieved an answer.
You do have some good points.
for tachy… remember that we are talking about Musims-Hindu clash
I have no time to waste on showing u crimes commited by non-muslims in indea… every thing Muslims do can bejustified by self defense!
for Heidi ..try to read more… anti-islam web sites tell more lies than truth
Ok Muhammads first wife was older than hem (12 years) and most of his wives were old
for Aesha .she was 13 not 9.. and he never touched her (sex..u know!) till she was adult …
for the 12-16 years ..this is a bullshit.. i am sorry to use this word but it is… may be u are talking about some african countries ..in all islamic countries it is illigal (considered as a crime) to marry an under 18 girl…
If u see pornoghraphy and free sex as a good thing..it is up to u..but most of muslims ( and nonmuslims ) see it very bad… and some laws are tryign to pass to prevent pornography on internet ..
yet..let me state it again.. I don’t realy care about the western socities… they make no difference for me.. I care about the resluts of thier law-less socities on our generations…
it is dangerous for me to imagine that freedom of speach is intrpreted in the minds of our children as immorality, insensitivity, and bad behaviour… i realy don’t like my son to go on forums such as this and hear all that bad language
and by the way… I doubt that any of them is a Danish.. or western at all… I have deep doubts that they are Isralies.. I have met alot of them on internet.. soem claimed to be former muslim.. soem claimed to be a poor nonmuslim who was persecute by muslims..
same stories and same urguments.. and some time same nick names ( like Die Muslim)
247#
Hinud ganges against muslims, israeli Hagana terrorist group led by the founder of israel in 1943, Sharon was member of some of them
New Nazi?? WWI WWII? discrimination against Black people??
do those thing sremind u of somthing??
246#
???
what freedom u are talking about? Muslims are more disciminted in the west than any other country on earth!!
Show me one time they used thier claimed freedom?
they are not allowed even to defense thier religion!!
Dodo fits the general aprehension of a moslem: deny facts – if they cannot be denied, pretend they are not there.
He never answered (or did I miss it):
Are men and women fully equal? Can a woman vote or drive a car?
Does the same sharia-law count for believers and infidels?
Did Arab News show a cartoon of an Arab not seeing democracy?
To Dodo: everything Moslems do can be justified by self defense!!! Now I say bull shit! Again we can turn to many Moslems in for example Denmark. Moslems make up 5% of the population – they do between 30 and 50% of all crimes! Again I can refer to a statement on this site – gangrape was an unknown word in Denmark until boys and young men of Moslem origin presented it to us – thanks a lot! Excellent representatives of the Moslem faith.
If you dislike the (I admit) huge amount of pornographic sites on the Internet – then you are free not to use it. And you don’t have to type “girls, nude” if you do not want to watch them.
And you say you trust the information from Islamic papers, channels, books etc – good for you! I choose to believe western media (usually not American because they are often influenced by lobbyists). I compare information from French, German, Spanish, Japanese (Democracies) media and then I decide what is more plausible. How many completely independent news-media do you have? Or do you simply believe what your favourite media tells you?!
#250 – moslems are ganging agains all other religions, but the other religions allmost never fight each other – THATS what I wrote.
Moslems seems to believe that the rest of the world is against them, and the moslems behave like that.
I correct myself: Dodo is not all Moslems – I hereby sincerely apollogice to all Moslems with common sence.
….but he really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!
Now I’m having a very good Moslem friend over for dinner (and I won’t be serving pork). We will laugh at all the enraged westerners and all the extremist Moslems. We will laugh even if anybody should hear us – because here there is no law prohibiting humour.
And as she just said to me on the phone: the Jordanian newspaper was right – what is more hurtful to Islam – the drawings or a hostagetaker cutting throats on tv? Or suicidebombings at a Moslem wedding?
Peace to all – both narrowminded Moslems and westerners.
DODO
OUR NEWSPAPER IS NOT NATIONAL EITHER IT IS
I N D E P E D E N T . WE have NO newspapers linked to the government AT ALL. PLEASE GET IT. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. I BEG YOU. ITS BEEN WRITTEN A HUNDRED OF TIMES BY NOW
again I repeat
jyllands posten is NOT a goverment controlled newspaper
DODO WROTE
“#for Luna
I hardly find any thing to respond to in your words..nothing but irrational satments by by a frustrated women”
I know that you cant respond. You have allready proven that many times.
YES I am frustrated. Not because of some insignificanr drawings, but because you are so hardheaded and totally beyond as we say in Denmark “udenfor pædagogisk rækkevidde” which basically means that you simply are beyond reach of reason.
DODO SAID
“However, the governments in the rest of euroup didn’t support the newpapers and the newspapers are not NATIONAL and are not considered CLOSE to the ruling party… i hope u got it!”
The newspapers in the rest of EU works exactly the same way as in Denmark.
None of them INCLUDING danish newspapers are national.
Our newspapers are also NOT close to the ruling party… DUH!
Start boycotting all of EU. Cant you see whose side they are on?
But I bet you do not dare. You would run out of food…. I hope YOU got it!
“and Yes.. we finally found the victem of the month.. a boycotting will result in a disastroph cunsquenses in teh Danish economy.. finaly reaching a point where they abandone freedom of speach and come to be Civilized Human being again..who respect the other and recognize cultural differences.. what is saccard for the others is a red line that should not be attacked on a govermental level”..
No dear dodo we will not abandon free speech sorry that you are misinformed. Neither will the rest of the western world. Thats why all of EU chose to print the cartoons.
No we are one of the richest countries in the world. It will not result in a catastrophe. In fact USA has started a Buy danish campaighn as an answer to all this silly mess in the arab world.
And to show sympathy.
Secondly. Danish companies have absolutely nothing to do with the cartoons.
DODO SAID
“May be victimizing Denmark will give more strength to minorities in the west to ask for thier freedom of faith that was passedby under the flag of freedom of speach”
Minorities in the west already have freedom of speech, and freedom of faith as opposed to christians in muslim countries that are being killed for their faith.
Thats why they fleed from the muslim world in the first place. Because they were persecuted.
In fact most muslims in Denmark are embarrased over you all, as I said before. But I guess you did not read it.
DODO SAID:
“for the rest of the women issue… let us examine the virgine girl precentage in the west, and that of the ME… an see if ur statement is correct!!”
Yeah right!! and how will you do that?
by sending all girls to the gynocolegist?
“also.. let us see how many girls are decepted by Muslims and those who volunteerly give them selves to Muslims”…
if they freely give themselves to muslims then why do the muslim men say yes if sex outside of marriage is a sin??? Second time I ask this question that you think is irrational I guess. I think it is rather relevant.
As I said the freely give themselves because they trust them when they say they love them, even though they never intended to marry them.
And still. Yes there are more gangrapes comitted by muslims in my country than by danes. Sorry to burst your bubble
Dodo said:
“or let us do something else
go to yahoo directory.. search for WOEMN + NUDE
see how many estern girl shows her nude body on her profile… and convince me that this was done out of ISLAMIC deception”
Dont go to yahoo and search for porno.
DODO SAID.
“I have been in Germany in 1998…and i have seen how many (little girls) who were decipted by me… my supervisor told me to avoid the secratry of the chairman because :She thinks her self atrractive!!!!”
And now what is wrong with a woman that feels attractive??? It doesnt neccessarily mean that she sleeps around.
Don’t you think a muslim girl knows if she is attractive!!! DUH!!
“try to use another argument… showing girls in the west as HUMAN ANGELS is nonsense that no one will believe”
I never said anyone was an angel. Angels are spiritual beings from Heaven. I said your picture of western girls is totally twisted.
“for those who might be hurt by this.. I am sorry… but trying to use the same ARGUMENTAL LEVEL as #339″
Actually you dont really.
# 251
Are men and women fully equal?
equla in thier Human rights.. i.e both should have right to learn, own, ….etc
not equal in some civilian laws.. related to marriage for example
Man only is forced to earn moeny .. all the finincial things are related to Man…woman is not
for those countries who have elections like Syria and Egypt.. yes of course
for the countries that don’t have elections (like KSA), or have elections within syndicates or unions .. they are not a part of them..so they are not..
Women are allowed to work in NOBEL jobs only.. a teacher, a doctor and engineer… No female garbage collector can be found in Saudi Arabia
the political matters here are quite different from that in Denmark.. here they have tribe-rules…some thing difecult for non-specialist -like my self- to discribe..
Does the same sharia-law count for believers and infidels?
Sharia law is implemended on believers only… becase it is related to Islamic issues like Ramadan and mariiage and inheritance
in Civilian Rights they are equal..
Notice that there is no Christian Saudi citizin.. or a christian citizin in the Gulf region!
Did Arab News show a cartoon of an Arab not seeing democracy?
i didn’t understand what you meen by yor question… but yes.. they showed the cartoons on public ..dicribing the bad responde of the Danish government on the issue..that forced the Islamic community thier to ask for help.
I had my Moslem friend, Ozlem, over for dinner yesterday. Her sister, brother, mother and father lived in Denmark for over 35 years now. Her father prays 5 times a day turned to Mekka, he doesn’t eat pork or drink alcohol, or does anything that is against his personal believes of being a goog Moslem – he said he cannot live entirely by the words of the Quran because (just as in the Bible) there are many contradictions. The bible for instance says “an eye for an eye” and elsewhere it says “turn the other cheek”. The Quran says to respect all people and live in tolerance and peace – elsewhere it says “convert all of other faith and kill all infidels”. And this is from a guy who regularly reads the Quran!!!!
My friend’s father is deeply ashamed of the reaction of many (not all!) Moslems in the Arab world; he did not find the drawings of Mohammad funny but he said: it is up to Allah to judge! This family is completely integrated into the Danish society and they would not dream of going back to the less democratic countries in AsiaArabia
and for Driving cars… most of my sisters drive cars!!!
In Saudi Arabia.. women have private drivers… Men here believe that Driving cars is not a NOBEL job for women…
# 252
I was talking about the Muslim-Hindu clash… you aregument is about some thing else.. However I won’t justify any crime made by a Muslim,even in India.. but i said: ok ..it was started by the Hindu!
for the post that say: Muslims only kill one another… let me remember!!
Oh yes… do you remember Bosnia and Hersck?..did you know that the Serbs killed many of the Koroatians based on cults differences?
…oh yes.. in the Crusader..the Catholic Westerns killed so many of the Orthodox Easterns… based on differences in cults – even thoug they belong to the same religion .!
what else…should i remined you of the zillion of website that advertise hate between different Christian cults??
the other religions are not fighting each other??
In 2001.. Israel put the Church of Cradle in Palestine under siege.. there were some Muslim and Christian protesters who shiltered there form the Israeli gone fire… the Bishp allowed them to shilter there thinking that it is a safe place for them
this clash lasted for seven days – not quite sure- and so many christian people – who tried to protect thier church -were killed becasue of that… the israeli governmetn said: they are terrorists!!
while the news paper who went thier (like Al jazeera) showed us that they wer normal people..
israeli websites siad: killing them is ok.. they are Guiem!!
the funny thing is that CNN reported the news as this:
Some Islamic terrorists hijakced the Bishop of the Chruch of Cradle..
not strange for those who believe in freedom of speach.. even if it was telling lies!
Killing a lot of Muslims in Iraq by American soldiers was out of hatred depends on religion differneces,,, same is in Israel
on 1998.. Clinton ordered to bomb Iraq.. one of the bobmes hold this Label:
This is a present for the Muslims in Ramadan
Bush said clearly: Iraq (libration) is another Cursad.. holy war.. we are there to implement God’s well…
should I go for more??
# LUNA
again I repeat
jyllands posten is NOT a goverment controlled newspaper
!your government response doesn’t proove this!!!
And minoritites in the west have no right to teach thier childern thier original language, or to practice thier religion on publiv or in schools.. I have relatives in Western countries..it is horrible!
For the (MUSLIMS WENT TO THE WEST TO ENJOY FREEDOM OF SPEACH)
1- no they didn’t… they went thier for money..after long peroid of occupation by Western governments..
2- do they realy enjoy freedom of speach?? they were not even allowed to express thier anger.. and those who followed the (Deomcratic way) of going to the UN , Human right watch and the Muslim governments to seek for help ( exactely as Jews do) are considered (Liers and Traitorouses)
How many mousques are there in Denmark? and what is pecentage of Muslims? Are muslims allowed to builed islamic-shaped mousqe (i.e with a minaret and a dome)???
a lot of issues to riase.. but no time!
So men and women are not equal in law and religion, if I understand your answer correctly.
I don’t mind feudal systems. In an extreme sence they are democratic – if the feudal leader becomes despotic, he will be kicked out. But when the feudal system becomes too big, and has too much power, it becomes despotic and can only be removed by revolution.
Personally I don’t think that the arab world is ready for democracy yet, but it may be, in its own good time.
About sharia law:
If the sharia law does not apply to me, how can the rules about picturing the Prophet apply to me? I am not a moslim, and have no obligation the Islaam, others than those dictated as being good behaviour.
The cartoon:
They showed a blind arab, sitting in front of a table with a cake named democracy. He couldn’t see it because he was blind, so he cut himself with his fork and knife when he tryed to eat it.
The meaning is – if you can’t find your way to democracy, you will hurt yourself.
About the cartoons from the newspaper:
They were made by non-moslems, to whom moslem rules does not apply.
They were made in a country where some moslems have settled. If someone wants to settle in another country they must accept the rules and culture – I would have to do the same if I visited another country – e.g. KSA.
There would be severe restrictions to where I could carry the Holy Cross and the Bible. Of course I would accept that.
Remember the newspapier printed in Denmark, but the cartoons were brought to the middle east by moslems.
hello evrybody evry person respect religons and other nations
i’m hisham mamdouh from EGYPT. sorry 4 ma language but i’ll try to make it better soon.
wanna to explane our sight in these case (karekaters)
we are muslims and our prophet (Mohammed S.A.A.S )
Is our warship in islam and the first person in our live ( i mean that from our islamic rules is love god (ALLA) ,Propht mohammed and then ur mother ,father and each 1 u like)
Mohammed is a high example for the semple and best and kindness and smarts and forgivness and power and all nice things in the world
his way in live he was lived is our way today. he hadn’t make any mistake in his live he teached us some rules and ways to follow it in our life ofcourse with the Holy Quraan (Alla’s book) rules and advices.
the ‘islam’ word in our language is mean peace this is our islamic ecourage us to do peace with all people either thay are musims , christians or another religoin
islam respect ther human each his language is or his skin color or whatever
when some cows (sorry i mean in newspaper) lught at him
all muslims will be sad for it it’s not for joking it’s a hard thing to us and we aren’t care about the donate to muslim orgnaizations to lught at any thing in our islam
as we respect all people all people must respect us but if some as (israils people)
we will shoot and not have a peace to them becouse when israils people lived in europ countries them make it bad and they (europ people) fired them to our countries they never love and like ay one excepts them selvies
ok at all i wanna to say that the denermark made a mistake and it (must) apalogiz for all muslims and make a big warn to this newspaper if any thing happen that they will close the newspaper’s bulding
it a sample thing to make relations between muslims and denemarks back and it’s not hard
please pay attention to my words i’m muslim i mean i wanna peace as our holy quraan said to us
bye bye
to hisham mamdouh #264: You want to live in peace with everyone – so do we. You want Denmark to apologize for not respecting the prophet Mohammad? We want you to respect our freedom of speech.
I would claim that if you were a true Moslem who respects your highest prophet and love and trust Allah – you would also trust Allah to judge! Is it not the right of God/Allah to judge? How do you as a mere human and mortal dare to claim this right for yourself?!
I can’t quite believe all of this is really happening. Is there really going to be blood shed over some cartoons? I think the the quicker the shit really hits the fan, ie oil running out, effects of global warming, aids on the increase etc, the better, We’ll all be forced to pull together whether we like it or not. It’s 2006, for fucks sake. Please stop with the superstitous bullshit everyone.
Guys, the blokes who published the cartoons knew they were making trouble. If you want to run with the big dogs, then make sure you don’t pee-pee like a puppy!
They made the crap now let them take the crap’ If it’s their right to offend others, then it’s obviously also their obligation to handle the crap excercising that right causes. It’s that simple. That’s how freedom works.
Don’t you love freedom?
Hello Hisham from Egypt.
I am glad that you find peace and tranquillity in Islaam,- that it gives you a good mind.
I can understand that the cartoon can make you sad – it would make me sad too if I was a Moslem.
Denmark is not a Moslem country, and they were printed in Denmark i a Danish newspaper in Danish language. NOT to make fun with moslems but as a part of a larger article.
The cartoons were brought to Arab countries (Palestine and Egyp) by Danish moslems, who sadly did not understand what is was all about. They did not explain it to Palestinian and Egyptioan people who couldn’t read the article.
I my country we can make fun with Jesus, Buddha and other religious figures, but there is no harm behind it, and those who presented the cartoons didn’t explain this.
One member of the delegation (imam Aby Laban) said on Danish TV that he would work very hard to explain this, and one hour later he said on Arab TV that he was happy about the boycott. It is very difficult to talk with people like him and normalize the situation.
Rockjaw,
I do love freedom, and am willing to give my life for it. Just like the Muslim is willing to give their life for oppression. People defend what is comfortable for them, I prefer to live my life as I wish, worship as I wish, read and eat as I wish, work as I wish, and say as I wish.
If a cartoon upsets you don’t look at it, if online pornography upsets you don’t look at it, if you don’t like fish don’t eat it. I personally am offended by people strapping bombs to themselves to blow up innocents, or snatching free people from the street to behead them to make a political statement in the name of their omnipotent god. If the life of the Muslim is so just and righteous, a perfect path to nirvana, why do so many of them live in poverty? Are so hopeless, that they feel they must be a martyr to be someone, do they not know life is precious? Do they not understand how short a single soul has?
A priority of what is important is distorted by old men clinging on to an antiquated belief, based on rules and beliefs that make no sense in the modern world. I would hope that the Muslim could change, evolve if you would, to be more tolerant of cultures that are different, but if they cannot, it is too bad that they seam to believe that being a martyr is the only way, it is so sad. What a bunch of pathetic crybabies.
Strange strange world:
Rafsanjani urged in his fridays-prayer to calm down!
Syrian churchleader said in his fridaysprayer, that this should not be solved in the streets.
Thanks very much for people on both sides, that can think! instead of talking about guns and bombs!
ok the muslim world wants us to say we’re sorry so here it is – this is for the outraged muslims in denmark :
we’re sorry that we give you shelter and and help, we are sorry for giving you a free education, sorry for helping you finacially, sorry for giving the option of beliving in what you want and giving yo the option of practing your muslim faith in our christian country. Sorry for sending muslim countries money and help when needed, sorry for not demanding blood revenge for the murders on our country men commited by muslims, sorry for not strapping explosives on our bodies, when we feel hurt, angred or humilated. Sorry for not doing as your faith demands
but a sorry for speaking our mind in our own country under our own laws is one thing you will never get
Hammehead,
These are just proposed, in light of how ridiculous the Muslim looks to the free world as the independant media storm reports. These folks are not stupid, they are Muslim.
Should Uited Nations create rules that protected Moslems in Europe?
And Jews in the Middle East?
And Christians in Saudi Arabia?
Imagine what an embarrasment, in the Muslim propoganda campain it must be to say how peacefull our religion is and the faithful showing how violent and intolorent is really is? These folks are scrambled in the grey matter and they want us to be as well, so we can believe the rhetoric, and see the beautiful painting of the muslim existance. I don’t believe they mean what they say, I do belief they are sincere about their actions, which leave them in the not to be trusted column on my tally sheet.
John – many Moslems have got it all wrong, because they operate from a totally difference mind than we do.
We cannot doubt that they are serious – many of them feel offended in their hearts, but we MUST not start arguments.
Insted we should be leading information and explanation of how we think, and appeal to them, not neccessarily to understand us, but at least to accept that we have different points of wievs, that we feel free to practice in our own societies and countries.
We may have to explain this again and again, – so be it.
They must also understand, that many of US feel offended, when they want to tell us how to act and behave in our own countries.
Between the lines I can read your point of wiev, although your way of explaining seem a bit harsh.
it sounds that the only raional people here is:
Hidie….
and maybe Hammerhead as well
the rest are hate spewer… I think people like those should not be given freedom to speak.. becuase they increase hatred around the world…
If we need to live in peace… we have to stop hate spewers from both sides …
we realy need to set an example on how to use freedom of speach in a positive way..
another thing
I think this shows really one thing
May be we are different ..but we need to deal with one another and have a mutual relationship
In Islamic countries.. Nonmuslims are allowed to lead a normal life – if they were original citizines…I have so many friends…some christians are even with Arabic and Islamic names!!
Ali is very pupular among chrstians in Lebanon!!
on the other hand… it shows that if we will allow under the flag of freedom of speach hate mongors to say what the want.. we will find ourselves divided into smale cantons that each of them produce every thing
Now a days anf because of the Call by the Americans to BUY Danish products to support Freedom to Insult..and the bad response from the Danish government .the Saudi and Kwaiti merchants are considering a perpetual boycutting of Danish products…and to be honest Netherland is doing a great job in this.. by advertising it self as
Muslims Friend!
Form me… I am with this.. National factories all over the islamic wourld should be built to enhance internal production…and to stop the Western domination even on our food..
Hammerhead,
I know I can be a bit course at times, but I do believe that this is just one in a many events that continue to fuel the division in different belief systems. This is the stuff war is made of, and as we have become all too familiar with, war is turmoil, and turmoil is opportunity for extremist of any faith to seize power. This is not an accident, it is a plan and the free world must not begin to believe their own marketing, that the human, with embedding from birth that their way is the only way. These people are dillusional and nothing would make them happier if we drink the cool aid as well.
Dodo
can you at least accept that in Denmark we live the “Danish way” and in the Middle East, they live “The Middle Eastern Way”.
When one visits the other, they must respect local “rules” and laws:
Christian Danish law does not apply to e.g. Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Moslem law does not apply to Denmark?
dodo2 – cant u see how wrong it is to punnish a whole country becourse of a independed newspaper ?
inwitch the goverment has no control of ? i mean – did you read my reply up in the start about how the muslim goverments react when western goverments ask them about anti semitic propaganda ?
I think its funny that islamic goverments tell us that they cant do anything about it – becourse its independed newspapers and the law states that they have no control.
why is it ok for islamic goverments to have those laws but not us ?????
allso – do you see us doing the same ?
i mean – if we did the same muslims ouldt allso be very angry. imagine we didnt support palesteine becourse of Hamas ? but we do – becourse we do see that its not the whole country thats like that. why cant the muslims not see that too ?
- or -
I saw an insert in an Arabic newspaper saying in short:
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Various leaders has, since before World War I promised us the Osmannic Empire, stretching from the Atlantic to Pakistan and around the Mediterranean, but all our leaders have been decieving us starting with the emir (don’t remember his name) who was promised the western part of the Arabic Peninsula as his kingdom during World War I (Lawrence of Arabia and all that stuff).
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Are there still people who think that way in the Arabic world, or was he a single outstanding person? I don’t know – I’m asking?
To post 276:
So what you are saying is “if you disagree with me I should be silenced” Is this the Muslim definition of freedom of speech?
As far as the Americans supporting Danish products, let them buy what they want, its called free market.
As far as Muslim factories becomming self sufficient for supporting an isolationist stance in the Muslim world, go for it, I have seen nothing, I repeat nothing that has come from the Muslim world in the last 5000 years that is good for all human-kind.
Let me see slavery? no that’s not good
Religion? not for all humankind on this one
Oil? dispicable vial substance
Medicine? none come to mind
Education? Oh yeah the Iraq’s invented Algebra
Art? Not Since the Mullah’s
Culture? Not Since the Mullah’s
You folks have a long way to go. Stop living in the 12th century it is the 21st century.
THIS IS NOT AGITATION – BUT EVERYDAY FACTS IN DENMARK.
My mentioning serves to explain why many Danes react so hard on this issue.
1. Cartooning means nothing to Danes – it’s a part of our culture, and it has never been understood as evil. It has been so since newspapers became common before 1900. Cartoons are made over: The Queen – Religion – politics – entertainers , in short: over anything, and there is never deepfelt harm behind it.
2. A severe majority of Danes feels deeply offended by foreigners wanting to tell us how to live in our own country. Not only now – it is a part of our national pride and identity.
3. Unfortunately many moslems in Denmark haven’t understood to adapt to our society, which has ment that e.g. their crime-rate is 5-6 times higher than among danes. The number of Moslems receiving well-fare are many, many times higher than among danes.
4. Before moslems came to our country, we had never heard about “honour-killings” – meaning a member of a family kills another member e.g. a Turkish Girl marrying a Dane without the parents permission resulting in her being murdered by e.g. a brother.
We also had never heard of gang-rapes.
This is NOT to say that Moslems are inferior, but it can explain why so many Danes “kick back” as hard as they to. Danes certainly have pride too.
# 279
First:
we are not punishing a country.. we are not punishing any body.. but we have the right not to deal with people who insulted us and refuse to apologize!!! why do u see it as a Punishment? it is just that we are not happy to deal with people who don’t respect us! and this is obvious in this page! John and even yourself are great example of disrespect of muslims that is encouraged in the Danished media..
second:
well… IF the Western Governments are ignorant of races..then the ME governments should use such a POLITICAL answer…
i.e instead of telling Mr BUSH how ignorant he is not to recognize that the ARAB and the Hebrows belong to the same race, and ANTI-SEMETISM applies for any action that is directed against HEBROWS and ARABS equally..they tell him: OK..We can do nothing!!
However, the Syrian President said that several times: Antesemestism is a ahte based on race..which applicable for Arab Hatred spowed in the American media as well..but no body listen..
So when you accuse Arabic or ME media to be ANTI-SEMETIC.. you say:
Stop Hatred Propaganda against Arab in the ARABIC media!!
which is ridiculous!
the JEWS are a religion followers..and we ,Muslims, accept Judaism as a Heven religion…May be sometimes people misuse the word ISRAELI For JEWISH… because ISRAEL keeps discribing it self as the “JEWSIH STATE ” to gain international support..eventhough Israeli Govenment is SECULAR.
However, Imams all over the muslims countries are trying to avoid using the word “Jewish ” …instead they use ISRAELI
the Majority of the ISRAELI immigrants who occupyed Palestine are RUSSIANS… which makes the term ANTISEMETIC not applicable for them
Another thing:.. Our hatred for the ISRAELIS is out of a political conflict..not for thier religion. which is not the case of the Danish hatred of muslims…
For your question of whether we see you do the same..You do even worse.!!.
We do have a political clash with the israelis and the JEWISH terrrist organizations that supports them…so hatred is logical..or at least understood
But your hatred to us has no POLITICAL bases..it is out of hatred.. and you want us to accept your hate spoweing in the Danish media without taking any movement…which wouln’t be the case…and which is against Democracy..
For the freedom of speach and bla bla bla.. I think we do need to have some termonology lesson here.. for the majority of Muslims:
1- FREE WORLD : is the small peice of EARTH land that is not OCCUPIED by Western countries..or governed by thier Tyran allies
2- Freedom of speach: measn to have no high morals and respect nothing
3- DEMOCRACY : it is the political process by which a big country like the US could be governed by a crazy moron like Bush..to fulfill the desires of a pushing groups like IUPAC (not quite sure of the name)
4- Moralities of the Free World: it is the very morals that all the religous teachings come to ban..Nevertheless… the secular people want to force us- politically, economically and in many times by militry force – to adobt ..under the name of Free Choise!!
third:
Thank you John for showing us the real face of the Danish people… the Secular terrorists..
how would u feel if an arabic news paper published ,pictures making fun of jesus christ.which in my opinion if it happened, all the first world coutries and people who are on the denmark side ,would start complaining about the freedom of speech and would start demanding to put a limit.so in conclusion ,i dont beleeive anyone should be with these kind of pictures .
This is what Donald Rumsfeld says, not much different from what I say
because it is his job to think of the future. So read carefully and
think
-tachy
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Saturday urged the world to work for a “diplomatic solution” to halt the nuclear program of Iran, a nation he called the “leading state sponsor of terrorism.”
Rumsfeld painted a stark picture of a lengthy war against terrorism that lies ahead, appealing to allies to show unity and increase military spending to defeat the threat of a “global extremist Islamic empire.”
“We could choose to pretend, as some suggest, that the enemy is not at our doorstep. We could choose to believe, as some contend, that the threat is exaggerated.
“But those who would follow such a course must ask: what if they are wrong? What if at this moment, the enemy is counting on being underestimated, counting on being dismissed, and counting on our preoccupation,” Rumsfeld said.
obviously guys this is impossible.
Why do our muslim friends keep asking how we would feel
1.if Jesus was being made fun of
2.If a muslim visited the vatican with a quran in his pocket.
or
3.keep saying that Jyllands posten is linked to the danish goverment.
4. why do we think islam is about terror and opression when the prophet says its about peace.
etc etc etc etc etc……
Don’t they read our post?
We have all answered all these questions at least 50 times.
Muslims of the arab world; Please. Reread
the mails, and you will find explanations and answers in every other mail in here.
Also I bet most of you never saw the drawings. They are pretty harmless compared to what other religious people have been exposed to.
I think I give up now. This is absurd. It seems that it is absolutely impossible to have a fruitful debate.
We have all raised alot of questions and concerns, about islam and the arabian world. None of them are being answered really.
besides. It has become almost impossible to go to the site. Most of the time it wont open.
Thanks for the debate and the patience that some of you have shown.
Dodo
You are wearing glases with a filter. Heidi, Luna and I have told you repededly that our press is free, without goverment control for which reason our PM cannot excuse.
We are now well over 250 posts on this site, and we have axplained, and told you things, you didn’t know before, but you are not moving at all. There is no reason to disguss any further.
A German media professor states, that this turmoil, which at first hand seemed to unite moslems, is now dividing, and damaging the respect for moslems seriously and worldwide.
I wrote this to Ray Hanania (if you stay well oriented thru Arab newspapers, you will know who he is):
Be adviced, that a huge number of Danes are deeply offended by the Moslem reaction to the cartoons.
They are part of a newspapertradition more than 100 years old. Cartooning any aspect of society or life has never been harmfull ment or understood.
Furthermore many Danes find it hard to accept that cultural domestic standards for Denmark should be set in The Middle East.
Moslem immigrants have found it hard to adapt to this tradition, and understand the humor behind it.
This has caused this unfortunate “history” to escalate out of proportions.
As a result of their lack of understanding this tradition, a delegation brought the cartoons to Palestine and Egypt, telling that they were an expression of the way they were treated in Denmark.
The Danes mostly are to blame for this situation. Danish demands to cultural insight for new settlers have been too soft, anticipating that settlers themselves would have an interest in learning about the society they were about to settle in.
A Danish politicia, a moderate moslem is now forming a society/union of non radical moslems in Denmark.
His movement is foreseen to be an alternative to the traditiona islamic society, and is expected to be as big.
One message from the moderate society to the imams: If you don’t like it here, leave and go to places e.g. Palestine that will suit you better.
The moderate mevement will spread out like the reaction to the cartoons. The pattern of development will be the same, allthough not as fast.
You will see moderate movements all over Europe because many moslems are feedup with the imams dictatorship. They themselves claim that many danish imams are two-tongued liars, not trustworthy, – some of them have nasty links til terrororientated radicals – mainly in Milan, but also other places, among them highranking Al-Queda members.
All this was bound to happen one way or another. If there is a reaction there will allways be a counterreaction.
To me islam is a dangerous religion due to its aggressive nature, and moderates organizing, is the best news since WW2.
I will do the same as Luna – this will be my last contribution to this apparantly futile debating.
Peace to all (first and foremost to all fundamentalists of all faiths). Heidi signing out!
Sorry couldn’t resist just this one last thing. Check out this link and then explain why the western world should be less offended by these cartoons than the Arab world by the Mohammad-cartoons!
http://myblog.de/politicallyincorrect
I too am considering checking out as well, because it seems impossible to debate.
One maybe final question:
What has hurt islam the most?
Cartoons of Muhammed?
2 planes sent into World Trade Center by Osama Bin Laden in the name of Allah killing thousands of innocent civilians?
Cutting the throat of an American journalist on TV in the name of Allah?
The Mecca concept 2006.
As many people in the world have heard, there was a tragedy in Mecca a few weeks ago. Loads of people died. The reason why they died was that, the security for the masses of people could not secure people properly. This was a scandal in Saudi Arabia, but instead of talking about whom to blame or how they could make the security better next time.
The Government and the media in Saudi Arabia instead came up with the concept called: Blame some one else for something completely different somewhere in the world.
Luckily in a country far far away, they were talking about integration which was an interesting debate and a Newspaper did their work by asking a question and drew some cartoons this made its own debate. The debate was nearly going to end and the Danish people could now focus on something else, actually there was one day the Danes were free to hear about some cartoons but all that changed since the Saudi Arabians saw the chance to change subject about the Mecca disaster 2006. From that day the Danes was in a middle of a huge crisis.
The first thing the Saudis did was to ask their ambassador in Denmark to close down the embassy and to come home ASAP to hear about the Mecca concept now changed to boycott the Danes concept. The Saudi ambassador liked the idea he had his chance to get away from the cold winter in Denmark and come down to get some suntan.
To all Saudis I am impressed.
Have you ever heard the sentence? What a claphat?
To the Saudis you are all a bunch of claphats that is included the people that burns our flags.
Dear # 291
Please don’t say by the name of Allah, God never said to all the human, you have to kill…
what hurts Moslems is the daily killing by any one for very body even Moslem or Christian
you till me the thousands of daily killing for Arabs in Palastin , Arabs in Iraq as well the American and English in Iraq , doesn’t this hurt any Human, we as Real Moslems against any kind of Killing the human , we all need and looking for Peace , believe or not …
why the civilized world not speaking about Peace , but only to kill moslems and invade moslems countries, I am from Egypt and we hade a torrirst accedent last July 2005 , the most killed was and Egyptians Moslems and Christians ……. so, the torrism every where, every one can be torrirsm not only moslems , in my openion that, USA Presedent are torrirsm , he decided to kill every one against USA , he decided to controll the world by the power of USA but the only thing he doesn’t do, is that, he never show on TV holding weapon .. this is the only defference , as well Denmark agreement for the cartoons , it’s kind of torrirsm against us but in a nice way ( by the way it’s not nice ) we prefer if you come with your weapons than to hide and to insult our prophet
Mohamed
Up till now, I must with deep regret say, that Israel is the only state, that has understood to deal with arabs.
They show hard consequence. This little country has survived attacks by armys many times bigger several times. They deal with terror in a swift and consequent manor, with immediate retaliation.
They have showed the rest of the world that arabs cannot be trusted. When Fatah were in charge they pretended to negotiate full hearted, but now in opposition they show their real face.
Hamas, now in charge totally reject continuing former violent actions, because they will loose foreign financially aid. They are for sale for money. Hookers only sell their bodies – they are selling their soul as Fatah did when they were in charge.
On this page many of us have argued and discussed with deaf and blind people, and it has brought me to this conclusion.
In one of the Erimates the leading imam said that we all need each other, but if they (the Emirates) wanted to, they could buy even China. This is stupidity in its extreme form. And such people are spiritual leaders!
We have seen a Danish imam telling lies live on TV – he is a high ranking spiritual leader. Does he represent moslims? Poor poor moslims.
To all Arabs, blinded by stupid religious leaders, I say: Wake up, renounce stupid religious leaders, and start thinking about what islam is really about. Are you letting cold hearted imams tell you how to live, do you really accept it, even if it contredicts the holy Quran?
The imams are afraid to loose power and control over you – it would be the end of their reign.
# 294
First:
we are not punishing a country.. we are not punishing any body.. but we have the right not to deal with people who insulted us and refuse to apologize!!! why do u see it as a Punishment? it is just that we are not happy to deal with people who don’t respect us! and this is obvious in this page! John and even yourself are great example of disrespect of muslims that is encouraged in the Danished media..
second:
well… IF the Western Governments are ignorant of races..then the ME governments should use such a POLITICAL answer…
i.e instead of telling Mr BUSH how ignorant he is not to recognize that the ARAB and the Hebrows belong to the same race, and ANTI-SEMETISM applies for any action that is directed against HEBROWS and ARABS equally..they tell him: OK..We can do nothing!!
However, the Syrian President said that several times: Antesemestism is a ahte based on race..which applicable for Arab Hatred spowed in the American media as well..but no body listen..
So when you accuse Arabic or ME media to be ANTI-SEMETIC.. you say:
Stop Hatred Propaganda against Arab in the ARABIC media!!
which is ridiculous!
the JEWS are a religion followers..and we ,Muslims, accept Judaism as a Heven religion…May be sometimes people misuse the word ISRAELI For JEWISH… because ISRAEL keeps discribing it self as the “JEWSIH STATE ” to gain international support..eventhough Israeli Govenment is SECULAR.
However, Imams all over the muslims countries are trying to avoid using the word “Jewish ” …instead they use ISRAELI
the Majority of the ISRAELI immigrants who occupyed Palestine are RUSSIANS… which makes the term ANTISEMETIC not applicable for them
Another thing:.. Our hatred for the ISRAELIS is out of a political conflict..not for thier religion. which is not the case of the Danish hatred of muslims…
For your question of whether we see you do the same..You do even worse.!!.
We do have a political clash with the israelis and the JEWISH terrrist organizations that supports them…so hatred is logical..or at least understood
But your hatred to us has no POLITICAL bases..it is out of hatred.. and you want us to accept your hate spoweing in the Danish media without taking any movement…which wouln’t be the case…and which is against Democracy..
For the freedom of speach and bla bla bla.. I think we do need to have some termonology lesson here.. for the majority of Muslims:
1- FREE WORLD : is the small peice of EARTH land that is not OCCUPIED by Western countries..or governed by thier Tyran allies
2- Freedom of speach: measn to have no high morals and respect nothing
3- DEMOCRACY : it is the political process by which a big country like the US could be governed by a crazy moron like Bush..to fulfill the desires of a pushing groups like IUPAC (not quite sure of the name)
4- Moralities of the Free World: it is the very morals that all the religous teachings come to ban..Nevertheless… the secular people want to force us- politically, economically and in many times by militry force – to adobt ..under the name of Free Choise!!
third:
Thank you John for showing us the real face of the Danish people… the Secular terrorists..
Mohammed you are a good example of what I am talking about, you are totally unreachable:
You pretend that there has never been negotiations and agreements in Oslo – in Camp David – in the UN – all initiated by the West.
The Arab people have never taken initiative to peacetalks. The west did it every time. Clinton tried very hard and history has proved that Fatah never negotiated with full heart. Nothing worked, and today you say that the west only wants to kill moslims.
The west does not have to kill moslims. The moslims themselves are comitting religious suicide.
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you wonder why we do not appologize, I tell you why, because you want our prime minister to appologzer and the to punnish the news paper. THis may seem very normal to you. but that is not how it works in our country.
in our country
our prime minister do not controle the media.
the media is not controled by the goverment.
from that why do you then think our prime minister wants to appologize, since he do not have anything to do with the cartoons?
if he appologize for a news paper what is the next thing you demand us to do.
is the next you would then demand that to ask donald duck to wear Jeans and daisy duck to wear headscarf?
mate ignore the cartoons and move on.
Hidei… are you talking about an Arab countries that arein Marhc or on the MOON??? what stoning you are talking about???
Beating a woman in the ME might end with presion…even if she was a wife or daughter…..there is no stoning even in KSA…stonin is a JEWSIH punshment and not Islamic..but it was adopted by Muslims for some cases becasue they believe that Judaism is a heven religion.. Now no country does apply stoning..some other punishment are considered.
Yout information about the Case in ME is very old (may be date 200 years ago..when there was a debate in the Church on whether women have souls or not…)
Please..correct your information by visiting islamic sites..
Islamonline.com is great.
For Hammerhead some times i feel you ar rational..sometimes i feel you are drunk!!
Ok..it is a Deal.. Give the Palestinians thier (FULL) land and kick them out of Denmark!!
Lars – they are beyond reach. Lets state that moslem law does not apply to us – we are not moslems. Danish law rules in Denmark over everybody – including moslems. If that is unacceptable they must leave or face trial for treason if they do not apply.
The endless discussion here has brought me to a harder conclusion than I started with.
Our export to ME is so small and has been substituted by Buy Danish Campains elsewhere. But they cannot buy butter in Saudi Arabia now. Trey ran out!
Dodo – Heidi, Luna and I are leaving since it is pointless to keep the discussion running. And I don’t drink.
I hope you will find your way out of the dark middle age in ME – hopefully with a Mohammed who is loving and caring.
Im from Denmark, and I take distance from the drawings, so i don’t understand why many moslems says ” dead over Denmark”, and burn the danish flag.. I call that for rasicm against Danes.. You can’t just typecast people like that…. The most Danes take disstance from the drawings, so stop judging whole Denmark…many moslems in Denmark are also being hurt, when the the Danish flag is being burned. And why is it only Denmark who is being boycotted? What about Italy, France and Germany… not because I say theu should be boycotted, but they also brougth the drawings..Just a question… I’m sorry that so many people have been hurt, and the drawings are some bullshit, but not judge whole Denmark… I have lost some respect for the people who are judging whole Denmark because of that…
I would just like to say this to my muslims sisters and brothers.
Please dont waste your time fighting with people about whos the best and whats going to happen, we muslims know very well that whoever goes agaisnt islam, whoever sheds blood of innocent people will be punished in this and the other world, and God is on the side of the muslims…i strongly believe that one day all of this madness will end and the whole world will be filled with muslims, and only muslims!!
The one who has made fun of our beloved prophet is going to hell on the red carpet!!
INSHALLAH, INSHALLAH !!!
if you Muslims are saying you are all are representinsg all muslims i the world, you are now all representing the asses that have burned down the danish embassy in Syria, included the swedish and the amabasy of Chille, shame on you guys.
alot of interesting comments from both sides – but only i am tryin to find a link to thees cartoons to see for miself. does anyone have a link?
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
Syria is by international contracts cummited to secure the embassies – did they do that ? no ! all i can say is go to hell
burning down a embassy for rumors that was NOT true….. where all that peace and tollerence that some mulsims here have tryed to convince us of….
all i see is hate
why dont we then burn their embassy – eye for eye. well man do i fell like it
lars,
You are correct.
What a Muslim says “The beautiful WORDS of Muhammed” do not equate to the ACTIONS carried out by the lessons learned.
Bassically left the Infidels “That’s us” to percieve the reality that All Muslims must believe in this theory of vailing the Truth (The ACTIONS) with the religion of Islam (The Words)by going on the offensive that “WE are being picked on because our beliefs are different than yours. (The cool aid)
A wonderment fulfils me watching this bibilical penis waving to inflick restrictions on the Infidels. I say castrate Islam, by making them choose; Is Islam a Religion or a Culture?
It is both, and there in lies the problem.
If our society did not evolve we would Still burn women for witchery, still pursue Hitler’s final solution, and still fear solor eclipses. But we don’t we understand the value of freedoms, do not impose our beliefs on others, respect our citizens and live our short lived lives as best we can.
I personally don’t need a false demigod to hide behind by a clever use of WORDS and BELIEFS.
Is the Danish Govorment doing anything about the Muslim death threat?
These closet Jihad mongers should be taught a lesson, that violence is not the answer, but will be the solution when they all go to meet Allah.
to post 302:
I already have my red carpet, what should I do now?
Oh I know… Strap some explosives to my body, find a peaceful wedding, or an innocent marketplace and kill as many of the Infidels as I can.
ISLAM IS A LIE…. A farce perpetuated by old men hanging on to false power.
You and your precious Islamic Brothers and Sisters are living a Lie. Just make a simple list and you will see the attrocities commited in the name of Islam outnumber the good preached by Islam by 20 to 1.
I repeat, until the words match the actions ISLAM is a LIE.
So if I am going to hell, judging by your standards, I will be waiting a long, long time. The line is so full of good muslims that I had to take a number and have a seat.
If you think this whole thing just started now – you are wrong.
check this site out: http://www.memri.org/ you’ll see how hypocrit some of the muslims really are.
you can find many many incitements there, making the Mohammad drawing look like fan mail.
Denemark, Scandinavia, Europe – Know what you are dealing with – before the demography beats you.
Peace to all mankind.
Joe Zeff.
Religion, created by men, priests,or whatever you have are the original conmen, bring me food and money and I’ll save your soul.
LIFE is THE glimpse of heaven, you’ll be dead and gone before you know it, 100 years from now you’ll all be dust back in the universe from whence you came.
So give it a rest who bloody cares wether mohammad has a bomb in his hat or not its the people sitting on their arses preaching all this crap that should have their heads lopped off, then we can all get on with our own pathetic lives in peace.
IF the human race could only disappear up their own biggoted arses then the planet would be a better place.
In buddhism there’s a particular school that insults the Buddha. Why? Because a Buddha can’t be harmed. Muslims don’t practice any buddhism obviously but follow the prophet Muhammed. The prophet Muhammed was a great man, and I think that he is an example to Muslims as Buddha is an example to Buddhists. So I ask: How can these pictures insult the prophet Muhammed (and thereby you)? Some Muslims are very violent because of these pictures. How can you be mad at non-muslims who know nothing about the great deeds of your prophet? Shouldn’t you teach them what kind of man he really was instead of showing violently behaviour and/or attacking the freedom of speech? The pictures are done, nothing to prevent that but what happens next is more important. Wisdom is a choice.
If you can solve your problem, then what is the need of worrying? If you cannot solve it, then what is the use of worrying? Shantideva
Heidi and Hammerhead
I realy like to keep in touch with you..may be we aredifferent.. but I think that we had a Dialogue
contact me on dodofan2000@hotmail.com
Here’s an update from Norway;
The only reason why this situation has escalated is a result of an imam living in Denmark. He travelled to Arab countries claiming that Danish and Norwegian media showed pictures of Muhammed with a pigs head. That is not true. (Did any of you by the way watch HardTalk on BBC regarding this subject?) If it wasn’t for these men we might have avoided the violence at least. This imam should also have explained that we practise freedom of speech which means that the government can not control what is being published in media (as it does in their home countries.) Therefore:
I am sorry but you just can not burn down our embassies, threaten to kill us all and burn our flags due to one persons (obviously unwise) decision to print this pictures..
Scandinavians in general are basically afraid of Muslims. Our politicians have a tendency of looking upon Muslims as victims, scared to death of how they will react if they are being criticized. We do ask questions and (positively) criticize all groups in our society – except from Muslims. They are in a way untouched, and therefore I do not think this will ever happened again. And I am not saying this in a positive way. By threatening to kill us they are forcing us to give them special treatment.
In both Denmark and Norway Muslims can say their opinions without being hanged, they receive better social care than anywhere else. That is why they do not pack their bags and move back to the sand dunes where they came from. Why else should they live here in -15 degrees C with only waste land, mountains and fjords?
I understand that their feelings have been hurt, but what I do not understand is the extreme reaction. This again indicates the huge cultural clash because they are completely unable to communicate without using violence and burning things.
No one expect the religious leaders of Islam – that encourages violence – to have the same moral standards as the editors that publicized the cartoons.
Anne
a christian will go live in a muslim country and be bound by that countries laws, yet when muslims live in other countries they dont think it should apply to them. some parts of britain dont put up christmas lights incase it offends muslims. if they dont like the country thier in, let them go back to where they came from. I have seen cartoons of GOD, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, St Peter, as off yet i have NEVER had the urge to go out and Attack anyone for drawing them. no one should take away OUR freedom of Speech.
The Moon is made of green cheese, and we are His children.
The Moon is made of green cheese, and we are His children.
The Moon is made of green cheese, and we are His children.
If you chant this in earnest, in front of your own children, from the time they are born, they will believe it, and moreover, they will easily be convinced to defend the truth of it with their lives; quite possibly at the expense of the lives of others.
Hi again Dodo
The facts, as they stand today (never mind the reason) leads me to this basic standpoint:
In the west and in the ME we have to limit access as to whom we can let into our countries. We cannot allow radicals of the opposite party entrance to our countries, and those who is allready there must be expelled immediately. No extremist and radical agitation – this is a limitation of speech and freedom, but we are too different. Evolution may have to solve it, and though it is a huge step backward, it is the only solution.
Trade should be stricktly limited – only to avoid human disaster should medicals, hopital equipment ect. be allowed exported to ME.
This is seperatism, which is exactly what the world have fought against, but considering the deep deep difference, it has to be.
The SA diaries are built and maintained by Danes – the cows on your fields are ancestors to Danish cows. The insuline for your diabetic has mainly come from here. All this can be replaced. The only significant thing we had from SA is oil. It can be replaced by our own oil from the North Sea – we produce much more than we can use. Our export to ME is minor and it is rebuilding elsewhere by local buy Danish campains. So it is not really a problem to any of us.
The Danish diplomatic representation in ME is considerable, considering the size of our country, especially in the countries around Israel, based in original support to Palestinians right to their own country (Denmark was the first European country to recognize FNLP (Fatah). This should be reduced to one central representation in Amman.
The Quatar leadership has cut back in the national cooperation, not allowing Danish and Norwegian tradedelegations access. In Quatar only 5% of the population are locals. Their import of everything is so massive, that their society we stop totally if the west followed my proposal.
Seperatism is a bad solution, but as it is, there is no other way in my mind.
When this tuomoil is over, you will see that radical imams7agitators will no longer be allowed access to our country, and those allready will not be allowed to stay.
there are good and bad people everywhere, doesnt matter what race, religion you come from, and you they say that its freedom of speech then they should know their limits, because you dont touch such sensitive subjects, how would you christians feel if someone made fun of Jesus? its sad because most of the western countries have wrong idea of islam, they think that its the religion of hate and torture, but its not..islam at all doesnt support terrorism, i am a muslim myself and i dont like to see people hurt, or killed and i dont support any of the threats that muslims have against denmark,,,but thats all because of those cartoons about our prophet, its our weak point and for muslims its very personal..
lets for a moment forget about muslims and christians,
and the end of the day we all believe in one God, and the holy book Quran that you are making fun of is the holy words of God.
An example of moslem beviour en Denmark:
The other day two Moslems beat up the Danish owner of a snack-stand in Copenhagen with a baseball bat, because he was selling “unclean meat”.
Just one small incident, but there are so many small incidents. Sorry but radical and extremists have to go. Moderates can stay.
The Danish Ministery og Exteriour has issued warnings covering most of the ME, saying that Danes should leave immediately for their own safety.
We will be pulling out diplomats and relief-helpers among others.
Moslems in Denmark are not at risk because Danes do not threaten others on their lifes and health in disputes.
Prices on butter and milkpowder have risen 10% in SA and there is lack in supplies. Substitute suppliers are sought and partly found in Australia and New Zealand, but prices are rising.
Today the SA newspaper Arab News says:
“If practicing “maximum free speech” was the real motive, then there are other ways to flex your muscles. Try, for example, casting a single shade of doubt on the “official” number of the Holocaust victims. People get imprisoned, fired and their character assassinated for discussing the issue.”
This is an upright lie and total nonsence – we are allowed to think and print that! In fact it is done by some right-wing extremists.
In Germany they can prosecute people for this, and they also ban nazi propaganda due to what they feel is a dark part of their own history.
When a goverment controlled newspaper keep telling lies to the arab people, this will go on and on and on………
Evacuating Danes from Syria and Lebanon because embassies have been burnt down.
Wow that’s moslem diplomacy!!!!!
See the cartoons for your self!
http://myblog.de/politicallyincorrect
It’s a German page – scroll down a bit. Each of the cartoons is paired with Moslem cartoons, to show that they certainly cartoon the same way.
The page is in German, but the cartoons speak for them selves.
Syria is violating internation law, by not trying to protect the embassy.
Lebanon? Aparently they tried?
Qatar is violating all WTO agreements.
Iran is violating everything, among that WTO.
The Danes has violated feelings in the ME. Not any laws, national or international. Only sharia-law applicable domestic to those who have sharia-law. Sharia founded law is not applicable to Denmark or Danes.
Our only “crime” is that we are infidels.
Hammerhead,
I repeat to you. U and ur country is a victim to your
tollerance and rationality. Both has its own purpose
and place, use them appropriately. Listen to experienced
old tollerant civilisations and learn lessons from them,
lest no one can save you.
Rather than preaching these fools, why dont u ask all
of your europian politicians to act for u. Anyway
muslims have pledged to overrun ur country, kill u all.
Atleast before that act something. Their govt will be
just a silent spectator for all that they are going to
do to u.
Why do u give, millions of aid to these indonesia, pakistan
etc . What do u get..? Atleast some respect..!!!!
Awake buddy, awake… and shout at your politicians.
They will think hundred times, because for them their
bussiness is more important than ur freedom.
Think and act. learn from other victims.
There are so many tollerant countries that can give
bussiness to danish people. Ur politicians just need
to befriend them…
Hope your country-men will awake. They are going to
burn not just ur embassies, they are going to butcher
u all by terrorists and moderates will be there to
take your aids and condemn the terrorism, but still
say that it is justified for self-defence.
As a first step slowly send each of the danish/eauropian muslims
to their dear country saudi. They will show they have
allegiance to u.. But frankly none have.. Its all show.
I know because, we are experiencing it..
So awake, arise and act
-tachy the infidel
tachy – I go with you a part of the way. BUT I respect that some moslems deeply regret what theese fools do. I CANNOT put them all in the same basket.
A lot of my fellow countrymen are on the move politically these days. This may result in a more significant set of rules under the treason-act. Some of our politicians have warned us for years that this situation would occur, and they certainly have the wind blowing their way now. So their agenda is gaining power.
It is a generel aprehension, that radical moslems here want to build a parallel society, not integrating, and eventually to take over when they are big enough. This gives me a clear impression that they want my grandchildren to live inder sharia law.
Actually a leading danish/jewish!!! newseditor proposed that the state should build a mosk for them, to show our sympathy for them.
This will not happen now! It would be rewarding them for their behaviour.
Turkeys application for membership in the EU has not got a chance now – their PM said that they would sharpen rules for freedom of speech, so they excluded themselves indefinite.
Any integration between moslem societies has suffered a setback of unheard dimensions, and are not likely to be rebuild ever in forms that has been valid so far. There will occur totally different rules for interaction between ME and the Western World.
The embassy-burnings has showed how week the leadership of countries in the ME are. Their diplomacy is been controlled by mullahs and imams who have no respect for us and our way of life, demanding respect for theirs.
The situation is a very serious setback for relations – even among old friends. The Danish parliament will not get any support for aid and help to old friends. Their friendship now has appeared as hollow.
Syrian Grandmufti, sheik Ahmad Badruddin Hassoun, regrets embassyburning, saying, that he received letter from Danish PM thru the Ambassador, stating Danish goverment point of wiev, and that he accepted the explanation and regerts.
The sheik said that aggressions must stop to prevent loss of friends supporting Palestinian aim for their rights.
Sorry sheik Hassoun,- the damage has been done.
lets all in denmark demonstrate in from of the muslims embasies that have taken their ambasadors home
espcialy I would like to demonstrate in front of the Egybtian embassy and tell Mona that she is a howlmug (tudefjæs)
but lets do it in the Danish way by dooing it peacefully by just standing nude in front of their huge embassies.
ME politicians and ambassadors have no say. ME politics are run from the Mosks, very often by ignorant Mullahs and imams.
ME cannot offer valid and political trustworthy leadership since each imam sets hatred rules in their fridays prayer. Unfortunately too many of them show no understanding of international politics.
When moslem masses lack guidance, or are deliberatly misguided by ignorants, government controlled newspapers, and even despotic goverments, embassyburnings will go on. Moslems are holding a gun in their hands, unfortunately, they are firing at their own feet, causing harm to themselves and their goals.
EU – NATO – US Government condems embassyburning.
US spokesman claim that embassyburning in Syria was supported by the Syrian leader.
Hammerhead,
I perfectly understand what u said. But think. Is it these good muslims
which u said going to decide that whether your country need to be taken
into sharia rule. If a muslim is taught as per their tradition, each one
beleives one day their kingdom will come. The extrmists will do the job,
these lovely people will support them with a blind-eye. U wont understand
now.
In our country also, we have many many good muslims. But I would like to
ignore them, because, they are silent when it comes to the wicked deeds
for their terrorist part, they say we condemn them, but they are justified.
I have a very very moderate true muslim friend who does all muslim rites
as per ordained in Holly Quran. Whenever any terrorist activity happens
he will tell, islam dont approve it. When russian, school tragedy happened
I asked him why do they do this..? Unknowingly He told “why cant russia give freedom
to chechenya.. Ist that the root cause…? any way they have given freedom
to others such as kazakistan etc “!!!!!
See his mind, these words will not come normally… Only when he lost his
control over his senses, these came out of his mind without censorship.
Again in another time, we were talking of why conversion is needed…
when all laws of universe are same to all human-beings.
An India-christian friend told, “no no right to preach and spread
religion is very much needed..!!!” – because Indian christians love
conversion!!. Then this muslim friend told, “see when I die and go
to GOD, he will ask me, why didnt u tell tachy that my religion is
the only truth and I need to answer him.. So conversion is required”!!!
Knowing that both Indian-christian and Indian-muslim supports
conversion vehemently I was confused which religion to convert!!!
Again someother time, discussion came about afganistan. He told
america is doing bad to afganistan to route oil. I told if u say
about iraq I will agree, but forget about afganistan. It was
a mad country under taliban. They he became very angry and said
what is Indias problem with afganistan…I told, they are crazy
those terrorist highjacked our plane and took it to talibans in
afgan to release those dreaded terrorist to pak. Then my
dear India muslim-friend told.. with full rage …”Ist the root
cause kashmir.. why cant India give back kashmir.. Just because
India is my country, I cant approve all that it do…”…
Then I told kashmir was afganistan and pakistan is all Indian,
u muslims, plundered it 800 years before. Then he said “Forget
800 years before, let us solve the current problem “!!!!!
Kashmir, afganistan, pakistan all belonged to India
in the logic of middle-east !!!. Because in middle-east
logic eternal palastene is original palastene, not
after Israel took over…!!! If the same logic is
applied to eternal India, the whole afganisatan,
pakistan, tibet, and sreelanka will be India.
One more condition is needed… Our ancestors needed to
be killers… Unfortunately to my dismay
they were fools who preached peace like u do now,
hammerhead.. so that we are suffering now.
Do u know the state of our country. Muslims are
indirectly ruling our country. Slowly slowly they
took over everything.. If u dont support muslims
ur partly can hardly win…!!! See we have only 30%
muslims, still see the game… In the name of
minorities they misuse our country and culture.
Our politicians are so corrupted and selfish.
And due to the extensive diversity we have, muslims
are playing the game.
See hammerhead, protect ur muslims friends if u love
them, but dont trust them fully. Dont give them equal
liberty as Danish people. Ask them to become like u
or leave the country. Isnt it atleast reasonable.
Or else extremists will take over slowly. These
moderates also will vote to these extrimists because
they love to make ur country Islamic…
I am sure u will not be able to understand me now.
But by the time, u understand the seriousness of
what I say, it will be too late.. Ur kids will be
butchered or swallowed. So help your politicains
if they work for u… And spread this to many danish
people as possible. This is not to harrass anyone
but to protect ur country, if those morons have not
infested ur country like ours!!!
Whats the percentage of muslims in your country..??
I pray that atleast, u people will escape for this
holy virus. I have friends who have u visited belgium
and france. They say u people are very good, kind and
tollerant. So I have some unknown love and sympathy
for u… So I say act before u are killed.
See, if the fundamental belief is different no integration is
possible… all else is just show. If a moderate muslim say
“Quran is the last word from GOD and mohhammed is the last
prophet and still say that I am for peace, I respect all religion.”
I say to u.. he is a lier, he is lieing to himself..
Either u say “all religions are true, or else u can say I am an
agnostic, but I dont have any problem with other as long as they
imposse their ideas on me” . In this case integration is possible.
Or else all claims of integration is pseudo. This is difficult
understand, unless from experience. But after experience understanding
is of no use.. other than to preach like me to people like u!!!
-with prayers for u and your country
tachy the infidel
Tachy
every day passing with moslem riots will hurt themselves and their reputation.
They show themselves to the whole world as violent, disrespectfull and not trustworthy.
This situation is not caused by cartoons as the reason – they serve as an excuse. Check blogs and chatpages on this issue, and you will see, that the general aprehensions are that Islam is showing its real face.
The Grandmufti in Syria sees the problem, but even he did not have the courage to prevent it. He has the power, and could have stopped it advance, but he didn’t.
Hard core radical moslems here only amout to (my guess) under 1%, so it will cause no problem to revoke their permission to stay.
Moderate moslems have formed an organisation to work against Mosk-controlled pretention, that they speak for all moslems. My guess is that this movement will spread out, starting in Europe as a protest of mullah and imam-rule.
Challenge this statement:
Moslems respond with violence in the present situation! Not Westeners!
Hammerhead,
Good to know that you have some good muslims to speak against
the mosks , we have none !!!!
Then push to kick-out those radicals. But it is up to your
internal espionage wing of govt to penetrate the remaining
so called peaceful muslims. My experience is that trust a
person, but trust no group, if they are muslims.
Further force all so called peace loving muslims to
understand and admit that danish culture will remain
danish. Some amount of nationalism is needed, for this to
happen. But nationalism will make a good foreign visitors
visit miserable, just as in Germany. But do u have any
choice it is better to nationalistic and rude rather
than giving ur country to muslims.
If your govt policies take care to make sure that
ur muslim population will never rise u have a hope.
Make taxes to muslims with more than 3 children horrible.
Never grand VISA to any muslim for more than a year.
U can do many such small small things for a firm protection.
All depends on a good vissionary govt. and intelligence wing.
Good luck to your country and u
-tachy
Why does the moslem world accept atrocities to take place in the name of Allah?
Just recent ones:
Taking an Opera hostage in Moscow
Taking schoolchildren hostage i Beslan.
USA 9.11
Bombing a (moslem) wedding in Amman
Bombing the London Subway
Osama Bin Ladens net of terror
This and more in the name of Allah. We are told that Mohammed was loving, caring and forgiving.
Why has the moslem community not delt with those perpitrators comitting crimes in the name of Allah?
Even if they claim that they are soldiers in an ongoing conflict, the above actions were all comitted against innocent civilians.
Muslims should be very ashamed of themselves our governments grant them a place in our society they grant them the freedom of their convictions in another country they have the right to protest to demand things they would have no chance of getting in their own country. OUR MINISTERS SEEM TO THINK THE MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT, maybe we should have media cencorship,maybe we should stop people protesting, maybe we should have our hands cut of for stealing,maybe all women should walk around covered up,not allowed any say for anything.the western world is not PERFECT but thank heavens for it. DONT LIKE WHAT WE DO THEN MOVE BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY……….
13 Al Queda members, convicted in the USS Cole-case and imprisoned in Sanaa near Hadda in Saudi Arabia fled while in custody of Saudi Intelligence Headquarter, digging a tunnel to a nearby mosk!
Saudi interior says they will investigate. And a nationwide manhunt is being set up.
Bet they will never come to a conclusion, and they will never capture any of the refugees of which some were wanted by the US.
To All west,
Please read carefully what I’m tilling as this will make you understand the Moslems all over the world …
- we didn’t take any actions for the daily killing of our Palestinian brothers / kids / women
- we didn’t take any actions for the daily killing of our Iraqi an brothers / kids / women
BUT
CONCERNING OUR PROPHET MOHAMED – YOU WILL NEVER IMAGINE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR YOUR INSULTING TO HIM, WE CAN GO ON WAR ALL OVER THE WORLD AGAINST THIS COUNTRIS WHICH HAVE NO RESPCT TO
I MEAN HERE REAL WAR ,WHICH CAN CAUSE THE DESTROY OF ALL THE WORLD AS WE HAVE MOSLEM NEUCLER WEAPON – DON’T FORGET THIS –
THE MOSLEM WHEN THEY FIGHT FOR THE RELIGION THEY WILL FIGHT TO KILL AND TO BE KILLED BY THE END
SO, LET’S THINK ABOUT 1.2 PILLION MOSLEM ALL OVER THE WORLD ( INCLUDES PAKISTAN,IRAN,AFGHANSTAN )
NEVER FORGET TO READ THE HISTORY ……….
YES, ALL THE MOSLEMS ( I MEAN ALL BY THE WORD ) CAN GO EASLY FOR REAL WAR IF THE SUBJECT IS RELIGION
This only to understand what you agreed for , to insult religion or prophet is not in our freedom list
as well just go and ask the persons who are responsible for the church all over the world , ask the Vatican , let them say the word let them say who is right and who is wrong before you judge your self
Mohamed
I am trying to keep hate out of my heart, and evaluate facts.
Facts often speak for themselves, and this why it is so important that we stick to facts and reallity.
At present the moslems in ME are reacting emotinelly, disregarding all facts. Emotions fade out, but facts stand and are eternal.
Their emotions are controlled from the mosks, but when their emotions fade, facts will hit them like a hammer and contredict indoctrination.
During the last 20 years, the internet and sms have evolved, and these two facts uncontrollable as they are will bring them into total disorder as the mosk domination will loose weight, and information will bring them out of the middle age religious control.
This is what the imams is afraid of, and that is why they instigate hatred – to control the masses.
Mohamed #336.
You certainly don’t share the soft heart of Mohammed (Peace be upon him)
You serve yourself as a proof of what I just said. Violence violence violence and threats threats threats and war war war.
Doesn’t amaze you that moslems are at war with almost the whole world? East, west, north and south?
Mohamed
Frankly your threats about going to war doesn’t impress me. History hasn’t given victory to moslems since the osmannic empire.
On the contrary, if you look at history over the last 100 years, ME army’s have trown away their weapons and shoes run EVERY* single time anyone fired back on them.
That must be why only unarmed civilians fall victim to violent agression and terror attacks.
My friend Hammerhead,
No, we are not looking for War or violence , we never did, but look for the subject , all what we needed from the west is just to respect the religions and the Prophets, if you don’t want to respect your religions , it’s something up to you , but what is concerning our religion , we are tilling you stop, don’t touch our religion , as well it’s the same from all the persons who are responsible about the Church …. ask them
It’s very simple like that, or at least just read about our religion , if you are not convinced ok, but at least respect
Really it’s that simple
Mohamed
I will tell you Mohamed what I want from you:
Keep you religion- I don’t mind.
Keep your country – I don’t mind.
Think about me what you want – I don’t mind
Live as you want in your country – I don’t mind
Grant me the same rights – if you don’t, I do mind!
Don’t tell us what to print in our newspapers and what not to print!
I beleive you are the one who want the war as I was tilling you about war to mak you understand what we are facing here, I think no one have some prain wants the end of the world now , maybe aftre few years it will be
Mohamed, I will gladly debate with you, since I am convinced that you at least are sincere. I don’t fully understand you, but if we are going to debate, it will have to be without threats, but ONLY thru explaining.
Put your threats away and offer a fair discussion amidst all our disagreements.
Mohamed
I NEVER use threats about war, violence. I made so many remarks here, including sketching senarios, but I NEVER threadened.
part of the reason why you will never understand how offensive these illustrations were is because you have never cared or truly believed in something the way muslims do. don’t worry, they’re won’t be any threats here, i just pity you. you call this democracy? i say it’s outright cynisim and lack of respect, not to muslims but to your selves. it is true that everyone is res