Death threats in Denmark
Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has found itself on the recieving end of some violent threats following the publication of some cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which they called for after a a writer complained that nobody dared illustrate his book about Muhammad.
Twelve illustrators heeded the newspaper’s call, and sent in cartoons of the prophet, which were published in the newspaper earlier this month.
But some Muslims weren’t happy:
Death threats have forced daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten to hire security guards to protect its employees, after printing twelve cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed.
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The same day as the newspaper published the cartoons, it received a threatening telephone call against ‘one of the twelve illustrators’, as the caller said. Shortly afterwards, police arrested a 17-year-old, who admitted to phoning in the threat.
Since then, journalists and editors alike have received threats by email and the telephone. The newspaper told its staff to remain alert, but then decided to hire security guards to protect its Copenhagen office.
Muslim organisations have demanded an apology but the newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Carsten Juste, has - quite rightly - rejected the idea, pointing out that the cartoons had been a journalistic project aimed at finding out how many cartoonists would refrain from drawing the prophet out of fear.
‘We live in a democracy,’ he said. ‘That’s why we can use all the journalistic methods we want to. Satire is accepted in this country, and you can make caricatures. Religion shouldn’t set any barriers on that sort of expression. This doesn’t mean that we wish to insult any Muslims.’
And then someone decided to turn things up a notch:
Bombs exploding over pictures of Danish daily Jyllands-Posten and blood flowing over the national flag and a map of Denmark are among the images circulating on the internet after the newspaper printed twelve cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed last month.
Daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende reported that the internet collages, posted in the name of an unknown organisation calling itself ‘The Glory Brigades in Northern Europe’, showed pictures of various tourist attractions in Denmark and stated that ‘The Mujahedeen have numerous targets in Denmark - very soon you all will regret this’, amongst other things.
Another picture showed soldiers, armed with bombs, over a map of Denmark, with blood spattered over parts of the country.
The front page of Jyllands-Posten featured prominently on many of the four collages. The newspaper has been criticised by Muslims for printing the cartoons, and was forced to hire security guards after receiving hate mail and death threats over the telephone.
It may turn out that these threats are nothing more than some teenager with a copy of Photoshop - and I hope they do - but, as terrorism researcher Anja Dalgaard-Nielsen from the Danish Institute of International Studies warns, it’s not an assumption that we can safely make:
‘We know that the internet is used both for propaganda and for actual terrorism instructions. It makes it more difficult for intelligence agencies to identify potential terrorists, because the internet reduces their need for physically passing through country’s borders in the recruitment and training process,’ she said.
Søren Hove, another terrorism researcher, points out that although the threats are anonymous and less florid with Koran quotes than earlier Islamist rantings, “the message displayed in the collages was so threatening that it should be investigated by the police.”
Update: Thanks to MediaWatchWatch for finding the cartoons online.
Friday 21 Oct 2005 | Paul | Denmark
u should be ashamed of furiating the muslim emotions. soon inshallah you will see u country conquered by muslims n thats a promise
the solution is to cut out with Denemark and never deal with it.
and we should display the funny things that talks about Denemark…and I hope that Denemark go to hell..
However, we can not talk about any prophet because we respect other prophets …this is our religion and we can not kill because it is not easy to kill a man in Islam …however the writers should be punished…
This is my idea about this subject
thank you
If the muslims can’t tolerate the liberties of western societies like Denmark which is what made it possible for them to find a safe haven there in the first place, I suggest taking the plane back to whatever sand dune they came from.
We don’t respect any “prophets” more than others, Jesus, Muhammed, Abraham, Buddha.. Same shit, different name. Get it?
The above link the mohammed cartoons seems to broken. You can find all the drawings here:
http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2005/12/10/un-to-investigate-jyllands-posten-racism/
i think publishing picture like this do nothing but creat more anger among muslims. The western world is breeding more terror this way. Is that the modern way of bullying muslims?
Ahmed Sallam
Ahmed Sallam, you are making a number of assumptions here that I would like to take issue with.
The Muhammad pictures may well offend you, and you have every right to take offence at whatever you like. However, being offended at something cannot and should not be used as a justification for issuing death threats or turning to wider terrorist activities.
You, I and everyone else are responsible for our own actions. The implication that religious extremists are somehow forced to go around threatening people because of their convictions is both dangerous and wrong.
You see these cartoons as “bullying muslims,” but the newspaper sees it differently. Bear in mind that this started with a writer complaining that no-one would dare illustrate his book about Muhammad. So who was being bullied?
In a free society, you have the right to express opinions that other people may find deeply offensive. The other side of this coin is that other people can, and will, say things that offend you.
It is better to be occasionally offended than repressed.
We have to make a stand against these filthy muslims who are trying to destroy democracey and free speech,,,dont let the scumlims win!!
islamophobe, you are an idiot.
Muslims are no better or worse than any other religions group, be they Christians, Sikhs or Scientologists.
Anyone is entitled to believe whatever they like in the privacy of their own home. They are not entitled to inflict their views on the rest of us.
I DONT UNDERSTAND, DO U THINK BY DRAWING THIS KIND OF PICTURE, U WILL RISE UP THE FREEDOM AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS?????, WHAT U DID IS A HUGE MISTAKE, SPECIALLY IN THIS TIME. THE FIRE IS HIGH ENOGH, WE DONT NEED MORE GAS. U SHOULD THINK AND HAVE LONG TERM VIEW.U MAKE FUN OF OUR PROPHET AND WE SHOULD BE SILENT COZ ITS FREEDOM LAW??? THIS ACT WILL CREAT A BIG SEQUANCES, AND WE WONT STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, UNTIL IT STOP TOTALLY.BY THEWAY , I HEARD THIS NEWSPAPER HAS THE LOWEST SUBSCRIBTIONS IN DENEMARK, I WANNA KNOW WHAT IS THE DENEMARK PEOPLE REACTION ABOUT THIS????/
The question is how much can freedom go before it turns into Chaos. Am I free to insult others? Does Sarcasm have no limit? If anyone has something sacred, should I humiliate it? Adding to all of this the crazy world we are all living in, do we really need this?
i dont know wats the point of publishin those pics….the only reason i c is to insult r prophet…i wonder if any of u(ppl from denemark)heard about him.. i wish that anyone of just study wat he did or read stuff that he wrote..ofcourse the Quaran will be 2 complex..but i dare u to find any mistake that he did in his all life.
lets say u dont belive in him….but that dosent change the fact that he turned million of ppl from being saparated accross the middle east into one of the greatest kindom on history….unable 2 read…yet tought all of us muslims things that sceintest only discovered now days…if any of u read his life story u’ll understand wat i mean….coz i know…all the muslim know..some of ur ppl and sceintest know that he is the best man that ever set foot on earth…nearlly all ppl who studied islam turned into muslims.
Islam never insulted any religion..it didnt insult any prophet on the contract we beleive in them and carry great respect 2 them.
i dont live in denemark and never was there…to tell u the truth i really liked that country and its ppl…and i didnt expect somtin like that…and u dont call that bulyin…i dont know if u would care if we puplished insultin picture of any other prophet…but we wont and i think that should bother u…..
by the way the word “islam” means “peace”….we dont encourge teroits nor vilonce..some of these explotins and sucide attack have defence reasons..and yes there r some that only spread fear and unsafeness…
this press should be ashamed of publlishen such things!
Freedom has limits, and anyone’s freedom should stop at the tip OF his/ her nose. You can not simply hurt others feelings and belives and say that is freedom. Doing everthing in the name of freedom will justify the death threats that some people made to those who drew these caricatures. Has this caricarture been done about jews, the newspaper would have been closed and those drawing the caricatures would have been accused of being ANTI- SEMATIC. From experience and the shameful carcutures I have seen I can safely say that Those who have drawn these caricatures are like MOST of those in the western world, totally ignorant about Islamic culture and religion, and they just do continue to stereotype Arabs and Prophet Mohamed, Peace Be Upon Him, without thinking. We do have in Islam a very good saying that says, if you speak with a knowledgeble person you easily beat him/her with your knowledge but if you speak with an ignorant man, he/she will beat you beat you with his/her ignorance simply because you should not degrade yourself by going down to their level. In summary, I would not an dignify those who have drwan these shameful caricatures with a comment or even an insult. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO OR ANY OTHER POWER DOES, ISLAM WILL REMAIN THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND PROPHET MOHAMED WILL REMAIN CHERISHED AND RESPECTED IN THE HEARTS OF BILLIONS OF RESPECTED PEOPLE WHO HAVE READ THOROUGHLY ABOUT ISLAM AND UNDERSTOOD ITS PHILOSOPHY!
Hi everybody,
I believe we can have fun without hearting others feeling. Islam is a religion of peace wither all Muslims practice this or not.
Prophet Mohammed & Holly Quran clearly indicated that “Don’t harm yourself and don’t harm others”
I advice all of you to read the book of “Quran”. It is available in all languages
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/spot_full_story.asp?service_id=578
Hi
Firs tof all the idea of threatning didn’t start by Muslims, they adopted it from Israelians..I my self recieved a threatning on a Yahoo group by an American subscriber. The moderator tried to pink my PC and know what is the country I come from.. and finally when my Antivirus blocked him, he could get the IP address of my ISP and found the country i come from.. all this becasue I was writting things against Israel and USA
However she neve apologized, the other way round .. when I discovered that she was trying to hack my system she said:
You are closes-minded and cann’t understand the freedom of USA!!!!
yes! she simply said that my anger about her trial to hack my PC was out of my (being ton-tolerant) and (anti_democrcy!!!)
Can this Newspaper post such cartoon about Moses?? or post a “real” pics about what is going on in Iraq or Afganistan or Palestine?
I doubt it!
Response to comment #11: The point of publishing the cartoons was to find out whether illustrators are justified in feeling afraid to do their job where Muhammed is concerned.
From some of the comments I’ve seen here, I think they’re more than vindicated.
Response to comment #12: Freedom should not be limited by other people’s sensitivities. If it means anything, freedom of speech means the right to say what some people don’t want to hear.
Response to comment #14: Did you contact Yahoo about being threatened online? I think you should.
This newspaper can publish cartoons about Moses - or Jesus for that matter - and many western newspapers have done. A quick search on Google turned up stoned Jesus, racing Jesus and a crucified Jesus, among others. Or, if you’d prefer, here’s a film of gay Jesus.
The point is that none of these images harm anyone. And none of the Muhammed cartoons harm anyone. And if no-one is harmed by them, there is no reason not to publish them.
Look, we are living in a world of threat and dangor and this is an other fuel to the fire which is already on. Your interpretation of democracy will differ from that of ours, but bear in mind that no vice person & country allow this happen with the lowest profile this country have in the eyes of muslim in the world.
i dont say anything about the person who made this mistake, coz he will be punished in its right time, for it is not a simple joke.
I think its shame and not acceptable from an educated and respectfull people to think like this, because you are speaking about a prophit whose believers are more than 2 billion muslims
YOU MUST KNOW THIS MAN
MUHAMMAD
You may be an atheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to anyone of the religious denominations that exist in the world today. You may be a Communist or a believer in democracy and freedom. No matter what you are, and no matter what your religious and political beliefs, personal and social habits happen to be - YOU MUST STILL KNOW THIS MAN!
This is a hate crime. The drawings bluntly reflect the intense and cruel hatred those who created and published the cartoons have toward Prophet Muhammed and Islam.
#16: You say “Your interpretation of democracy will differ from that of ours”. But a democracy can’t function without freedom of speech - and if one group or another is able to determine what can or cannot be said, then you don’t have freedom of speech and you can’t claim to be a democracy.
In Denmark, you can speak out about Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Islam, or any other issue that motivates you and - unless you are advocating violence - no-one will stop you. But, if you want to enjoy the right to say what you like regardless of how uncomfortable it makes others, then you have to accept that others have the same right to say things that you don’t want to hear.
#17: The numbers don’t matter. Even if there was only one non-Muslim in the world, he should still enjoy the right to criticise Islam.
#18: Nope. Never met him.
#19: It’s not a hate crime - as the courts have already established. The people guilty of hate crimes are those that have threatened the newspaper’s staff and issued death threats. If you can’t see the difference between a picture and a death threat, you are a seriously confused individual.
And finally, can I suggest that you all go and read this article in Lebanese Daily Star:
Maybe you’d serve your cause a lot better if you did a little less shouting and a little more thinking.
I think this whole deal is stupid!
The newspaper has ALL RIGHTS to show those drawings, as the country has FREEDOM OF SPEACH. dont like it ? move else where
Muslims in the western world seems like they all cry out wolf these days, never the less they flock to these countries to gain some of the security these countries provide - but cant accept how that country is
all I hear these days is - rasist, its your fault our kids is on drugs, in jail bla bla bla.
look at denmark - this country gives like 2000 $ to an unemployed with one kid - i think its 3000 or 3500$ for 2 adults and one kid
70 % of the tax money for this unemployment suport goes to muslim immigrants, 65 % of all crimial cases is filed to muslim immigrants and 80 % of all in prison is yet again muslim immigrants…. and their total population is less than 10 %
my statement ? Shut up , enjoy the country you live in, accept the conditions as you wouldt FORCE us to, if we lived in a muslim country or go to hell
i’m sick and tired of muslims these days ( and i’m not living in denmark ) - they shouldt hore , prositute after my gf, if your out drinking i often get bulled my muslims boys, they are 5 times as often criminals, if anything is not acourding to their belife they shout rasist, demand this and that or gives death threats.
so once again - SHUT the f*** up and behave like normal welbehaved and socialised people or fuck off to where ever you came from
just my 2 cents
General response:
As a Middle Eastern and a Muslim, I respect your right to speak freely and to say what you like about your own religions. But if you have no respect for your prophets, it is not the same for us. It is probably the same for those who are religious of the Christian or Jewish faiths, who would not take kindly to the marring of their prophet’s images. (We all remember the uproar caused by the Irish singer who tore up a picture of the Pope, it wasn’t even a picture of Jesus).
Islam teaches a tolerance for all prophets and religions. Politics and oppression, teach the Islamic world hate. What I would like to say is: if you have the right to offend Muslims, Muslims have a right to respond according to the rules YOU set in the so called ‘Civilised’ part of the world.
We are doing our best to fight religious intolerance in our part of the world, Maybe you should start by doing the same. The illustrations were extremely offensive. They were clearly fuelled by racism, and they were pathetically stereotypical. And they clearly showed an ignorance about Islam, and its prophet.
Now it is a well known fact that any discriminatory illustrations regarding any other group, be it religious or racial, would NOT have been allowed to be published in Western newspapers. Albeit, other groups may have a lot more weight than Muslims do in the West, and can put a lot more pressure on your governments. Or you feel sorry for mistreating them in the past, so you feel obliged to show them some respect.
And please don’t respond by saying that i am wrong, because I have never heard ANY objections to Orthodox Jewish women covering their hair or being ‘Forced’ to cover up, and not eat pork, or to nuns and preists who are ‘forced’ to dress modestly and practice celibacy, etc. Because they are not ‘forced’, it is a choice they have made becuase of their respective beliefs, as have we Muslims. And if it is about radicalism, there are radicals in every religion. That doesn’t change the essence of the religion.
In my humble opinion, Muslims are mainly to blame (ignoring of course, decades of Western imperialism) for the state we are in today. And for the ignorance in the non-muslim world about our religion.
My response to all who claim the right to speak and to voice their opinions, regardless of the adverse effects they may have, is:
If you have the right to speak, you cannot deny us the right to respond, (calmly and without colourful death threats, of course).
If you believe everyone has a right to worship as they please, we believe we have a right to that too.
If you believe in the sanctity of your church and the prophet Jesus, we believe in the sanctity of our prophet and our beliefs.
We have to stop this futile squabbling, and start repairing the rift. So we can all live in peace.
it seem that denmarki people is not better than some ameracan!
iam full disappointed that this cartoon puplished in a country in Europe..!
what a shame…
they cant show some respect to our most great man (( mohammed )) peace be up on him and all his brothers :david , mosa , josef, jesus peace be up on all of them.
May god dam all those who not respect the others belives ..they talk about democracy ..is this from your democracy principles…and thanks to all poeple that respect the other …again i said ..you cant extingushe the prophet light.
Hello,
It really hurts and disappoints me that as a muslim we get no true respect for our beliefs. I am 14 years old and have heard and read everything that is going on and it angers me, but I must stay calm and reply peacefully. To the muslims that are making hatred comments to the Danish people in general they shouldn’t because the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) replyed to the people that hated him with peace and kindness. If you have heard about the story when the prophet was praying and some Jews came up behind him and poured animal insides on top of him. He didn’t get up and bring a sword and an army and kill them he just continued what he was doing.
I live in America, and I love this country, and every day I hear people say this and that about my religon. One day the truth will be shown. How it will be shown is unknown.
Also to the commenters that aren’t muslim. Truly when you say stuff about my religon, I laugh because at the age I am at I reply with kindness and maturity. If you can’t say something nice or that won’t offend people than keep it to your selfs. You must have learned that when you were in first grade.
To top it off I respect every single religon in this world, because they all have a meaning to the people that follow it and that is good enough.
I hope peace will take over the world instead of hatred.
Thank You.
Reply to the calm comment of #22 General response:
Your second sentence, the assumption as do all the Muslim responses seem to make is that all of us in the West are religious. Some of us are. Some of us are not. What do you make of someone who says to you the following: “My unbelief is my belief. Respect it!” Are you up to it? Do non religous people owe religious people respect as defined exclusively from your particular bias based on the premise that religious belief automatically trumps non religious belief? If that is the case then I have to take it on faith from you, a religious act, fundamentally an act of faith. Effectively you would be saying that the default point in any argument would be first and foremost your particular set of religious beliefs. You would set the parameters of what is acceptable and what is not. You would have exclusive rights there. Thanks but no thanks. Your religious default point is not universal. Sorry to have to let you in on this bit of essential information… It is just one amongst many others!
Uproar there was about Sinead O’Connor but that’s all it was -uproar. No hysterics. No fatwas. No death threats. No boycotts but a lot of healthy debate and a lot of hot air.
When the Spanish conquistadors went to South America they were horrified by the natives who threw the Holy Bible (in Spanish eyes the word of God)on the ground. Why? It had no meaning for them. It had no value whatsoever for them but they paid dearly for their “insolence” and lack of “respect.”
You tell us that Islam is about tolerance. Why is it a crime for a Muslim in Egypt to change his religion? Tolerance! Why is unbelief punishable by death in Saudi Arabia? Tolerance! Why are there no churches there to cater to the Christian labour force? Tolerance! Why are women in Iran criminaised if they refuse to cover their heads? Tolerance! Then we are told to keep a straight face when we hear that “there is no compulsion in Islam?” How can a religion earn respect if it can only prop itself up through the appparatus of the state?
Religion is mediated through people. Reference to adherence or lack of adherence to this or that holy book is irrelevant. What you see is what you get. You can’t separate the dancer from the dance. One is meaningless without the other. It is the practice that counts, not the “theory.” So people will inevitably generalise. That’s how we make our value judgments.
Having said that, I can also say that in my travels in Middle Eastern countries I have come across many exceptions to the above generalisations of individuals whose humanism is only limited by the constraints impose by governments trying to be more Catholic than the pope or whatever the Muslim equivalent of that expression is.
How is it that these cartoons can energise so many people in the Middle East but they can’t work up the same level of passion and fire in the very same peopple for debate about the Human Development Report on the Middle East where real burning issues need to be debated with equal if not greater passion? Surely that should be the talk of the town? And how about some glasnost and some perestroika too? Mona Eltahawy’s article in the Daily Star (24-01-2006) really hits the nail on the head.
For your comment about Publishing fun photos pr movies about Jesus, my long relation with Christian people made me sure that such things don’t bother them because the don’t -deeply- feel that there is a real human being called Jesus. A God or not a God is not an issue for discussion , But non will be offended by any thing said about jesus, becasue in most cases , Christian people say bad things about Jesus…(go to Italy and enjoy the fine language!!!)
No the point That I raised is: Can any News Paper Publish Fun cartoons about Moses?
Can Any News paper question the fake number of Jews killed by Hetler ?
Can Any Body talk about the Crimes commited by Israel or question what is going on in Palestine!
An American Peace activest Called Racel was ran over by an israeli Bulldozer, and No comment was made by any news paper! while if an Israeli blind old man was died becasue of cold the world will cry fo it!!
Every day tens of Palestinians are killed by Isaeli Forces,,… have u heard about them??
Pleace don’t mention the very small useless efforts made by this or that news paper every other year to show (Balanced) coverage of the events in the Arab-Isaeli conflict..
I think every body say bad things about Jews in France is taken to the court becasue of Anti Semetism…. Am i right!!!
Bye!
This can be called Freedom to Eat!!!
http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3519478/
Prophet drawings anger Saudi consumers
By The Copenhagen Post
Saudi Arabian consumers threaten to protest drawings of the prophet Mohammed by boycotting Arla Foods
Arla Foods is concerned that a boycott of the company’s products in Saudi Arabia could cost billions if it takes widespread effect.
Saudi Arabian religious and political leaders encouraged consumers to boycott Danish-based Arla Foods’ products during last Friday’s weekly prayer service.
Since then, the call to has been repeated on national TV stations and newspapers accompanied by pictures of Arla products.
Arla, one of the world’s largest producers of dairy products, has earnings worth DKK 3b in the Middle East and expected to open a major dairy facility in two weeks in Saudi Arabia.
Religious leaders called for the boycott as a way to respond to drawings of the prophet Mohammed printed in daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September. The newspaper printed 12 drawings of the prophet Mohammed last year as a way to challenge what it considered the intimidating tactics of fundamental islamists.
One Saudi Arabian chain of supermarkets has already removed Arla products from its shelves and called for an official apology.
Arla company feared the boycott could spread.
‘The situation is escalating very quickly right now.’ said Finn Hansen, a department head for Arla. ‘The development in the last hours is quite worrisome.’
Hansen said that major partners in Saudi Arabia had summoned Arla employees to meetings in the next days.
‘They have attempted to make us denounce the drawings. The situation is critical because the Saudi consumers react collectively. We’re afraid of being hit by a wave of consumer anger,’ he said.
Denmark’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Hans Klingenberg, confirmed that the threat of a widespread boycott had increased in recent days and that Danish companies were concerned.
‘There’s a risk that in Denmark, we have underestimated the offence that the drawings have caused - not just among Muslims in Denmark but in the whole Muslim world. We should take the threat very seriously,’ said Klingenberg.
Reply to 24.
You have the gall to say Mohammed meet those who ridiculed him with peace? Perhaps that one instance but his usual way of operating was to ride in with his thieving followers and commit rapes and murder. I’m not religous and it offends me to hear Jesus and Mohammed used in the same breath. One was a Jewish holy man who interpreted his people’s long standing religeon, the other was a raping thief who stole bits and pieces of judiasm and christianity. Do you people not even bother to look at the history of your so called “religeon”?
Oh Juicy! You telling me that you botherd looking at the history of Islam? Hmmm, I wonder where?! What sources you used to read about this religion?! Look, basic principles when you want to critisize a religion (which i think you’r not capable of doing so) is to read the original text of that religion rather than google it!
Dodo wait for their economy to shake and then you might see the whole country embracing Islam because they can live without a religion but they can’t live without money!!
To the Danish President:
You call it freedom of speech to publish pictures insulting our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. You say you can’t make them remove the pictures because it would be undoing generations work of establishing freedom of speech in this country. Well if I stood in the middle of the street in Denmark and started calling the muslims to fight against America and her allies “including you”, then would I be safe under the act of freedom of speech? Would I? Or would I be dragged from the street and thrown into a prison, tortured and killed because I am nothing but a MUSLIM? I ask this because I want to know.
This was an attack on the muslims everywhere in the world. Will you take it back or will we have to take things into our own hands? I warn you for we muslims are proud. We don’t stand for humiliation. We fight back to restore our rights and return the pride and victory to the nation of Muhammad peace be upon him.
So REMEMBER, We warned YOU!
Mujahida Fe Sabilillah
It is surprising for me as Muslim who highly regarded western civilization for its respect of freedom and human rights to see such civilization go against itself in this manner degrading a great symbol of love and tolerance who is cherished by about two billion people who live on this planet too.
Wouldn’t it be a good idea for you to learn about us (and I mean from reliable sources) before you contempt us so much? It is again surprising that on the one hand we hear about coming cultural events in Denmark but at the same time we hear about total dark ignorance there about a sublime culture like that of Islam. Please read more about Islam. read more about Muhammad. Read the Quraan’s account of Abraham, Moses and Jesus and all prophets of god whom we Muslims hold in great respect
Wouldn’t it be a good idea to trace the roots of terrorism and understand why some people can lose their minds and kill and burn. The cause of terrorism is not Muhammaed peace upon him. Terrorism (which I denounce)is the product of those who occupied our lands and killed millions of our innocent women and children. All terrorist power is nothing but a box of matches compared to what the west is doing in our lands.This cartoons are very successful only if you want to breed more and more hatred in the world.
Finally please remember :Muhammad peace upon him was not the one who invented and used the atomic bomb, killing hundreds of thousand of civilians in a few minutes.
it is evidently clear that the west, in general, does never learn from mistakes and history. Muslims do respect other prophets such as jessus, Abraham, and Moses because their religion tells and teaches them to do so. In fact a Muslim wouldn’t be Muslim if he/she does not beleieve in Jessus, as prophet, and the rest of the other prophets. There is a complete chapter in the Quran about Mary and Jessus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them. This kind of tolerance can never be expected from the Chrsitian west, let alone from the secular west. Making enemies of Muslims is the last thing the west would need at this critical juncture of the relationship between the west and the Muslim world. It is just naive and rediculous to call this rubish of the twelve cartoons “freedom of speech”. any freedom does have limits that make freedom iself a sacred principle, otherwise this “freedom” would first hurt itself before it can hurt any other principle. The feelings amongst the Muslim world are very justfiable and expected. Some people are being sarcastic even about the Muslim world’s reaction to the cartoons. Such kind of people do not have anything to do with any religion in the world nor do they have any value system or ethics that govern their relationship with others and the way they regard other religion followers. Thus, their veiwpoints shall not be given any weight. I dont think there is any sane individual in the world would calll insulting religions and prophets “freedom of speech”. If this is the case, I can easily say to you: your king,your president, your prime minister, yopur wife and your mother are all fornicators and call that “freedom of speech”. Come on, come on!!!!
I would like everybody to watch videos of Dr. Zakir Naik regarding
“Islam & Christanity” , “Muhammad(Pbuh) In The Various Religious Scriptures” , “Qur’an And Bible In The Light Of Science Vs Campbell” & “Similarities Between Islam And Christanity” which will help to eradicate many misunderstanding about Islam & help you to understand Islam.
Here is the link:
http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=50027&TitleName=Zakir_Naik
Peace to you all.
Denmark about to go broke (!) => lol => according to distinguished moslim Dr. Alladin this is about to happen. And now he might be a candidate to win the 6th Nobel Prize in history for islam, because they’re such peaceful & scientific people (in their own minds). If you’d just take a peek-a-boo at the real world Alladin…that means letting your head out of the crystal ball for a change…not your ass five times a day like your religion commands; then you would most likely have to face some facts.
1) Arla Foods is a greedy multi-national fuck-up org. that deserves the trouble it is in, because it made buisness partners of moslims in the first place.
2) Referring to the Dodo submission January 28th: Don’t know who did the English translation at JP stating a 3b earnings record for Arla in Saudi Arabia. Let’s remind ourselves it’s in DKr. 6,13 to $ 1, thus less than $500m. It also says earnings – not true – it’s in fact turnover according to other Danish news media unified. I doubt profits are anywhere near $60m.
3) Simply had to check out what kind of impact this one would have on the economy; enter http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_landes_BNP.
USA 2005 - #1 at $ 12.438.873 by 330.000000 people = $ 37693,55 per persona
Saudi Arabia 2005 #25 at $ 286.895 by 26,500000 people = $ 10826,22 per persona
Denmark 2005 #27 at $ 265,934 by 5,200000 people = $ 511411, 54 per persona
Holy Cow, if the Saudi consumer boycots us my personal loss would amount to something like two six packs missing, when the TV-soccer is on Sunday afternoon. Gives me yet another reason to hate islam and the fucker Muhammed who started it. As for the economy – I seriously doubt it will even turn up in the OECD quarterly.
Impact in Saudi Arabia…hmmm. Arla has got a production plant there employing some 1000 arab young men, doing useful production instead of bartering, servicing, collecting social welfare they moslim way. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot as they always do….the ROW couldn’t care less.
Info: The oldest national flag in the world is a crusade banner, it’s red with a white cross, it’s called Dannebro and it’s the flag of good old Denmark.
just a min i wont to tell you all one thing to compare.the so called
civilized world which i call the animal world in denemark, and islam
this is just one small information . islam doesnt allow cursing and disrespecting other religions or what other people worship even if they worship stones .that respect of religion was 14 decades ago and at the 21 century some people are showing disrespect to men like mohammed and even jesus and you call this civilization i call the western world” pornlization” in every thing from iraq war to miss world sorry but you are no humans you are just a punch of pigs and monkeys
Reply to #26
can a news paper publish fun cartoon about moses ?
YES OFCOURSE ! freemdom of speech!
can any newpaper question the fake number of jews killed by Hitler ?
NO! and why ? well becourse its ONLY the muslim world who belives its a fake number or question if there was any killings ? This is the worst thing about islam and for me makes em just as baad as nazies. the only reason why islam dont belives it is becourse they them selv are truly rasist and their greatest wish is to go kill all the judes… wow how tolerent. if we in the west said that about islam it wouldt be the start of ww3 eventhough they them self has those belives!
Can any body talk about the crimes commited by Isreal or questen what goes on in Palestine ?
YES - and they do all the fricking time! no many newspapers is pro isrealisc - no most newspapers talk about how poor they palestine ppl are. well i think otherwise - can never fell pity on hamas who goes on and killing innocent people!
and one fimal note :
I dont care if you take offence about the drawings. Thats your problem - dont excpet us to follow your norms and your state og mind! Here in the west its ok to make fun of queens, moses, jesus, god and yes allso the mulism god if we want. thats freedom of speach and if you want us to respect you , u better start respecting us
true that it might be a mistake - but the drawing where posted to see who many wouldt not make such drawings becourse they was afraid of the muslims!
u see - in the west muslims allways makes threaths or attack people if things are not going like they want
i can only say again
fuck the shut up and be happy if you live in a western country or go back to the sand dune you came from…
I still have to see a tolerent muslim area in the western world who dont make threats all the fricking time or go go attack ppl when they say something the muslims dont like
follow customs in the country you live in AS YOU WOULD FORCE US TO
hehehe one note
today i had to buy pizza and fruit
asked every single one if they where from palesteine or saw them self as arab - and when they sayed yes - i told them that i wouldt not buy anything from them - freedoom to eat as one said
finnally i found a turkish dude i bought my stuff at - but i will never again buy anything from the other stores. that gotta teach em… eeeehhh.. well probably not
only a nuke will
what kind of excuse is it the muislims wants and why,
I am all for freedom of speech. Great! What will happen to me when I go to the centre square in Copenhagen, dressed as a Pig and decorated with the Star of David? Isn’t it all relative! You are free to do what you want until you start hurting others! I am a muslim and I am hurt!
Mr Noozer
If u believe that the bunch of nonsence u said is a replay to my Post…then u are mistaken…it just shows that Most of western people are as impolite as to stop any effort to make a mutual discussion
Why I am not surpised by ur answer? becasue U are a Christian Cow keeper that have no moralities! And those who have no moralities have no standards or rules to judge things according to…
Go baby… debate on whether ur sister is allowed to marry a woman like her or not… and leave civilized discussions to civilized people
34# Remember in 1971 what the Saudis did to US. It was a good lesson and I’m sure no single american can forget. Well, you have to know one thing is that Money is last thing a Muslim should worry about, because it’s an essential belief in Islam that not the people who feed us. We feel sorry for you poeple when you run your ass for the whole month just to end up with few dollars in your pocket, paying off bills, loans or whatever. Actually, you worship the money when you spend your whole life just worrying about it, seriously it’s a sad picture to look at. And don’t worry about 1000 or even 1 million turn unemployed because they are not slaves for the money they can get jobs easily, opportunities are out there, don’t forget that Saudies is one of the richest countries out there. Without our Oil you will end up riding your fat cow to work and having frost bites in you ass in the winter. Now just to be fair, i know that there are people out there with other goals, but the majority is that way, I know that becuase i lived in one of the so called countries of democracy and Free of speach. Also, there many Muslims who are after the money in this life becuase can’t have 1.6 billion in the same pattern. A Muslim who practice Islam properly according to the teaching of Islam will have no worries about money. All what I am saying is give it sometimes and you will see the result, becuase economy doesn’t slip or boost in one day!
What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
The term “terrorism” does not exist in the Qur’an or the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. If the terms “terrorist or terrorism” are derived from a verb used in the Qur’an, such as 5:33 describing a “Muslim’s” terrorist acts, it is in condemnation and prescribes most severe punishment. Islam is a religion and a way of life that does not separate politics from religion. Islam is a religion of mercy, unity and most importantly peace with one’s self and others, to defend not to fight. Allah said in His Book the Qur’an:
“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. God loves just dealers.” (Qur’an 60:8)
“Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not begin aggression. for God loves not aggressors.” (Qur’an 2:190)
“If they seek peace, then seek you peace and trust in God for He is the Hearer, the Knower.” (Qur’an 8:61)
“… and let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is next to piety; and fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (Qur’an 5:8)
“But (remember that an attempt at) requiting evil may, too, become an evil: hence whoever pardons (his foe) and makes peace, his reward rests with Allah- for, verily He does not love transgressors.” (Qur’an 42:40)
“The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and thee there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. (Qur’an 41:34)
Some of the Prophet Muhammad’s Teachings (Sunnah)
1. He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, “… do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.”
2. “Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.”
3. “The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.” Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
4. “Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable.”
5. “There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human.”
Islam and Human Rights
1. The Qur’an and Sunnah encourage Muslims to respect the life and property of all mankind.
2. In an Islamic State these rights are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not.
3. Islam protects honor, forbids insulting others, and/or making fun of them.
4. Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, and/or race.
5. All Muslims believe that Allah created all humans free and equal, only to be distinguished from each other on the basis of God-consciousness or piety and never on the basis of race, color or ethnicity.
Islam is a practical religion that respects all human beings and it was revealed for all mankind. Its message is that of peace and submission to Allah. Muslims believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible, and the Qur’an. The Qur’an shares many moral teachings of the Old Testament and the New Testament. These three religions (and their books) were founded upon the revelations by One True God, Allah. For more information on this topic please see the brochure Human Rights In Islam or ask for brochure #7 from the III&E, the publisher of this article.
Jihad in the Bible
Let us see what the Bible has to say about Jihad in the meaning of war and violence. The following verses are from the Bible, New International Version (NIV), 1984, italics added.
“Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. Exodus 22:18-20
“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about three thousand of the people died.” Exodus 32:27-28
“The LORD said to Moses, ‘Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites…. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps…. (Moses ordered) “Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” Numbers 31: 1-18
(Jesus said) “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me.” Luke 19:27
“He (Jesus) said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:36
Differential treatment
Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy and forgiveness. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the basic tenants of Islam. When Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City building, no American or Christian was labeled as a terrorist or was the target of hate crimes. When Irish Christians carry out acts of terrorism against each other and on the British Isles, the Christian religion is not blamed but individuals or their political agenda. Unfortunately, the same is not true for American Muslims and Arabs. The vast majority of Muslims or Arabs have no association with the violent events around the world yet Islam is invoked with terrorism. It is unfair to 1.2 billion Muslims of the world and religion of Islam.
Reply to #38 - What the moslim cave men want??? They want destruction, as they cannont bear the success of other cultures, including that of proud Hindus and Buddists.
Moslims are ashamed when they look at themselves in the mirror; powerless, sexually frustrated and asking themselves why their societies are such miserable failures. The last thing they would ever want is being confronted by cartoons in a newspaper, exposing the nature of the sick pedofile Muhammed scam they based their beliefs on.
I don’t care if they’re hurt. In fact, I don’t give a flying fuck if the moslims are around at all, as long as they don’t bother me. I’m an infidel, who’s main concern is cold beer in the refrigerator on Sunday. But, if I’m getting sanctioned indirectly by the Saudi consumer and those beers are missing (in my economy) there’s a problem.
Next time The Red Cross rings the door bell announcing yet another Paki earth quake, Indonesian tsunami whatever, I just don’t have those $10 (in my heart) to give. I will just let the dogs out, or if the sun is shining do the nice thing - slam the door in their face.
Dr. Alladin #41…you’re sort of amusing too.
Saudi Arabia rich !!!! Haaa, obviously not (fact is they’re poor per persona) and you know very well the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet, giving rise to serious tensions within those economies.
You state they can get jobs. Really! Why then do they line up at our borders trying to get in….or creeping across the border in the mist of night? Get the picture! DK social welfare more attractive to them - get a life moslim.
Oil(1): you punks wouldn’t even know what it was about in the first place, if it was not for western (combustion engine) technology…or even how to get at it. In the arab mind: “If the camel can’t drink it, it must be useless”. We taught you a thing or two.
Oil(2): Denmark is a solid net-exporter of oil and gas due to the North Sea operations….$120 a barrel might not be such a bad idea for DK. Let’s go, make us even richer. OPEC is only 40% of the market, who might the rest be!
Buisness and bills: Yes, Christians stick to their obligations, and it does not have to be in writing! A hand shake one on one regarding a car costing £32.000 is a matter of honour, because there were no other witnesses. For that reason it’s a deal, but a cheat low-life moslim would never understand that concept.
I think It is wrong. and muslims must protest all over the world. it is not a matter of freedom. It has to do with ignorance. In 1970 Mohammed, the prophet of Islam was selected by Time mag as the greatest man in history. How can this status be touch by such stupid creators like cartonist. !!! one can just laugh. I am sure that Denemark will pay the price for such stupidity very soon. learnable people should condem such behavoir as its touch 1.5 billion muslims all over the world.
#40 how dare u
i have no moral ? i have more moral than you infidel probably will ever have…!
just becourse my moral isnt the same as yours , doesnt mean i dont have it or its not to regard! Muslims allways belives thay are the only ones who have the right to have moral - and a civilationen
so if the west is rich - we are infidels. if we do something that you dont like we are dedecant , and if we accept porn - we are doomed
fuck you - i like pig, i like beer and i like naked babes. I’m not a lesser person for those things - i just have a differend culture. but in your eyes i’m something completly differend - who is intollerent and who is a rasist?
once again - how come muslims in western countries are 6-20 times as often in jail compared to the people who lives in the country…?
dont speak of moral to me….
# 43
next time red cross rings my door bell i’ll surely allso go : nhaa why the fuck shouldt i help ? its not my problem
i’m starting to care less of the muslims in my country. if they can serve me a cheap kebab is ok - but i’d rather piss on em and treat em like they treat me and the rest of the native persons in my country!
they rare, steal , commit violence and yell after my sister, mother, girlfriend - well the arab do
i surely love the people from iran and turkei - but next time i see a lonly plaestenien girl, maybe i shouldt treat her like her brother treats my sister. fell her up , threaten to rape her and in the end finnish it off by yelling prostetute after her, becourse she didnt put out..
bhaaa
46# Can’t you run a debate in a professonal manner?!! Man you are terrorizing me by these words!! Please STOP or I will call the UN!!
44# said: “Saudi Arabia rich !!!! Haaa, obviously not (fact is they’re poor per persona) and you know very well the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet, giving rise to serious tensions within those economies.”
Any creditable source to support your argument?!!! Well, I think you learned in school (That if you ever had the chance to go to one) argument statment has to be supported with creditable evidence! which your statment completly missing.
44# also Said: “You state they can get jobs. Really! Why then do they line up at our borders trying to get in….or creeping across the border in the mist of night? Get the picture! DK social welfare more attractive to them - get a life moslim.”
OH for god sake tell me you’r joking when you wrote this, drunk or even your ass was stoned. Because, Saudis never need to sneak to your filthy boarder. In fact, your government kiss Saudis asses to come and spend the summer in dk so they can make some money out them. I realy don’t have the time to type all the figures that Saudies and other Gulf countires spend every year on tourism. In fact, the Saudi goverment recalled thier embassedor in dk.
Here are some links on the news and i want you to pay attention to the quoted lines after these links:
Glob and mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060126.wsaudi0126/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20060126.wsaudi0126
CBC:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/27/ap/world/mainD8FCO6K01.shtml
Here are some statment quoted from the above links:
“Danish-based Arla Foods, Europe’s largest dairy group, said Thursday it had noted sales dropping in Saudi Arabia. The company did not give any figures.”
“Saudi Arabia is one of Arla’s largest markets outside Europe. The dairy group produces cheese, milk and butter at a subsidiary in Riyadh”
And what more even interesting, I heard dk embassador to Saudi Arabia will be appoligizing to Muslims in the daily newspaper in a few days!!! I will post the link as soon as i get it.
Yeah, and about discovering the Oil, no problem we like the west to work for us came all the way to dig the whole thing down and they got paid for that.
You know something, this is just to show you that we Muslims stand for our values and our values are not money or any such things. We stand to defend a Man who have been followed by 1.6 billion of this world, and we’ll continue to stand till the last breath!
Response to # 25:
First of All, I would like to clarify that I have travelled and lived in the West for periods of time. I have made friendships and maintained relations with people from many faiths, ethnicities, and all walks of life. I have friends who are Atheists, I have friends who are Christians (many of them are Arabs), and I have a very good friend who was born Jewish married a Muslim and converted to Buddhism. And I would have never maintained those relationships had I not respected their beliefs. If a person chooses to believe in God believe in Buddha or believe that god is in his or her coffee table, or if they choose not believe in a higher power at all, it is their choice and I respect that. I am not intimidated by other people’s beliefs, and they don’t affect mine. But in the end respect is the rule of the game.
When I reply to what I perceive as an attack on my religion, obviously my response will be biased. In my eyes it is an attack on what I and every Muslim hold most dear. I perceive it as an attack on me, on my whole identity, as a Muslim. I am not here to enforce my beliefs or any beliefs on anyone. I am not here to attack anyone else’s beliefs. I am here to clarify my point of view, as a Muslim.
Islam IS about tolerance. Some Muslim’s may not be. Western democracy or beliefs, for want of a better description, are about tolerance. It does not mean everyone in the west is tolerant. I would like to correct you when you say a person can be punished in Egypt for converting from Islam, because that’s simply not true. Most Arab and Muslim countries are secular. They do not implement shari’a (Islamic Law). But then you have the argument , that I have a feeling you will reject, and that is if an American can get the death penalty for treason, it’s the same thing when it comes to Islam. Islam is a way of life, it is a country a language, it is law. I am just trying to convey another point of view.
But I disagree with you when you say that Islam can only prop it’s self up through the apparatus of the state. How do you explain the over 26 million Muslims in China, where they have been persecuted for years under the Communist party. How can you explain the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Like I said earlier, the majority of Muslims live in secular countries, and a vast amount live in countries where they are pressured to abandon their beliefs. If you are referring to Saudi Arabia, well it is the land of Islam’s two holiest sites. It is the birth place of Islam. Every Saudi Arabian is a Muslim. To Muslims it is like the Vatican, there are no mosques or synagogues or shrines in the Vatican. But people of other faiths are allowed to practice their religions in their homes compounds or places of gathering.
But again neither Saudi Arabia, nor any other Arab or Islamic country is Islam. Islam’s image has been tainted by politics, by tradition, and by a desperate oppressed people who are fighting to hold on to an identity, in the face of poverty, fanaticism, war, occupation, and oppressive governments. Muslims feel that they are being fought from the inside by a group of fanatics that believe they are the only true Muslims, and that the rest of us are infidels, and from the outside by a force that would hope to assimilate them.
We no longer know who we are. If you live in the West, like in France as an example, where the French shipped hundreds of thousands of Algerians, during the French occupation of Algeria, back to France to be labour workers. Algerians have lived there for generations, their parents know nothing about their homeland, they don’t even speak Arabic, but still cannot be truly French, and they are not truly Arabs.
And in our own countries, we dress like the west we ride your cars we eat your food, listen to your music and watch your movies, and now we are being forced to adopt the West’s so called morals and beliefs. So it is expected that our societies will cling on to anything, be it good or bad, that will give us our identity back. Even if it is a false hope.
As for religion being mediated through the people that follow it. I completely agree with that. That is why when Islam and Muslims were ‘pure‘, they brought the world Algebra, they advanced astronomy, science, they gave the world literature, poetry, architecture, the numbers you now use, and that we have now abandoned, and so much more. They lived in peace with Christians and Jews alike, they worked together in harmony.
Islam is not what we have made it out to be today, it is not a restriction but a freedom. And as I said in my previous response Muslims can only blame themselves for the state we are in today, Islam is not to blame.
Finally, as for the cartoons, it is not the silly illustrations that bother me personally, it’s their implications. They are taunts, and for many, you can only respond to taunts, by shouting back insults. Or if you have psychopathic tendencies, you send death threats.
As for the pressing issues, I wouldn’t mind discussing any other issues, be they about unemployment in the Arab world, the high rate of illiteracy, or the super-power’s rampage to remove governments that have outlived their use for them, and enforce democracy according to their specifications, or any other subject matter you would like, because believe me they are the ‘talk of the town’ in what Western media likes to call the ‘Arab street’ (as if we do not converse in our houses, or tents as some of you would like to think).
The Arab and Islamic world is being attacked on every platform, because of what a few have done. Naturally you will get people who are over defensive.
Response to #25 continued:
Oh and by the way, sorry I had to look up glasnost and perestroika. English is my second language and Russian would probably be my twelfth. Again things are changing in our part of the world. If the platform was not set up for the discussion of the cartoons and the xenophobic attack on us ‘Muzzies’. If the question was put to us in respectful way and for the purpose of having a constructive debate, then I am positive you would find that a huge amount of people would jump at the chance to have a relatively mature discussion, that might actually do us some good.
#47 You have a problem clicking on a simple link or something?
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_landes_BNP
scroll down to position 25 and tell me what it says….$$ ok. The reason you will not do so is because of your cronic state of denial and fear of the truth.
It would certainly be top news if an arab ever entered Denmark legally (if we care to accept the puto), using a real passport, travelling on a real jet and without blurting out a pack of asylum-lies, before dropping the suit case to the floor. Let it be one of those thousands of fake princes they breed in Saudi Arabia like rats, and let me see what kind of impact my size 12 shoe has when his ass is kicked so bad he stumbles right back into the 737 - and takes off + stays away for ever.
Latest news DR 1 text tv 29/1: “Invented thousands of angry moslims”.
Mullah Abu Laban and other Danish mullahs across the country invented actions groups of angry moslims, in an attempt to boost back-up of protests agains JyllandsPosten’s profet drawings.
The Council of Islamic Faith’s spokesman, Kasem Ahmed, claims to represent 200.000 moslims in DK, though a count by EkstraBladet (newspaper) reveals that the number is only 15.000
Furthermore, a number of the action groups only exist in Abu Labans fantasy, but he refuses having fiddled with membership numbers.
- One might say, the list shows the truth + sales tax, says Mr. Abu Laban in a comment.
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That junkie openly admits he lying through his teeth, as do the rest of islam’s scum bag followers. They have no place in the civilized world and that’s why islam is ultimately doomed.
Hmmm, Actually i was surfin thru the net to check out these cartoons, i was kinda alil bit ummm how to say it, uncomfortable (wont say angry or gonna threat, curse or disrespect any one of ya guyz) lets put it this way;
We’re talkin about a man “Prophet Mohammed” عليه أفضل الصلاة والسلام whom u pictured him as ragged head, chicks lover, money passionate and the rest can’t seem to be finished…
Gosh it makes me really wonder, if these civilized, educated, well informed, democracy founders and supporters, right for speech sided and so on of this fake aspects of life, would talk about him in such a disgusting way;
The main point, before u do something, make sure u do it right, how come guyz like u westerns, can’t even go thru the history n look where the hell u came from, ur origin, how ya life was, rate of killin, rappin, robery, corruption, cacogenics, illigetimic and most of all depravity.
if u wana check the history go back n read it, some of u dun even know his/her blood strains, probably his mom, sometimes “lets say most of the time” his/her father, is this a community of free reproduction process in one night stand event!!! n keep sarcasting about us guys.
How come u dun look at ur flaws, shortcomings, degredation towards this swamp of U HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY UR OWN SELVES no matter how civilized ur will be, with all ma respect u know nuthin about ISLAM, n instead of makin buffy jokes and cartoons, y u dun just try to read about it n understand wht it is !!
Denmark, country of wht 50-70 years of civilization, n look who talkin, the VIKINGS, whom tried to concur the world, conducted several inhuman activities and look whos talkin, the silly thing is that deep inside ur self , dunno wht to care, ur money , sole or wht !!
Guyz like u think of no family, materializm, n money collection would for sure understand the meaning of respect, civilization n how educated they r !!
for sure awaitin for some curses n teasin, coz simply it is the best thin u can do n really it embodies the things i was mentionin above !!
Thank you for listenin !!
lol forgot to mention, all ur justifications was terrorism, threats of death, bombing and etc….
LOOOL make sure of who the hell made this up !! for sure, we made the weapons, mass of destruction means, n alot of this source n method of killin u EDUCATED people !!
Denmark is a friend for the arabs, and the danish people are our friends, we are the arabs, we need to make friends nowadays and not to make enemies. If a cartoonist did a mistake in a paper, that does not mean that we will fight each other, these things could happen everywhere in this world.
#53
true to the word
i have ranted and raved, becourse i get angry. I dont hate muslims, but i’m just getting tired of it all
for some reason it allways seems like the muslims in the western world have a ” its us against them ” mentality.
Allso - much of the problems in the western world, regarding crime is from muslims immigrants. see fir intance denmark - where 70-80 % of all charges are brought against muslim immigrats who only are like 7-9 % of the population.
do i say that all muslims are bad ? hell no - i belive in my hart that most are normal persons who just want to live a good life - and many of the problems are becourse of a bunch of war crazy palestiens who move to us
but look at it this way - the western countries theres freedoom of speach - but everytime something does go by the muslims mind - its death threaths, it abuse, it violence
so when these drawings came in the newpaper ppl went - oh well.
and then it started…. death threath, boycot and what ever - over some stupid drawings.
then normal people like me gets mad - i mean - a muslim delegation from denmark went to egypt telling lies
telling the egypt people that denmark had made drawings of muhanmmed gettting fucked by a pig - that the koran was about to be published as a censored version and such lies ! but just make the situation more crazy
lets have a debate - and not resort to violence. but see at this forum where a muslim says that we must be animals , subtle threats and such
sometimes i get really really angry - becourse u see. if i pay alot of tax and alot of MY TAX goes to a bunch of immigrants who dont want to learn the launges, dont want to be integrated, just take my money and become criminals - you tend to generelize
have you ever tryed to live a place where your sister and girlfriend gets to be called prostetute all the time they wander into muslim areas ? or if you are out a night getting beaten up, robbed and threaten by knife just becourse u wander into a muslim area ?
or what about beeing afraid to say what u think - becourse it couldt upset a muslim, and theres a good probability that he will hit you ?
can u understand why people in the western world not allways look at islam as tolerent - becourse we never see it. We only see it get worse, and we see that what we wouldt think of normal education and behavor just doesnt work for them - at least in our country.
and why is it it seems that muslims think that their moral is teh only true one ?
i mean - if islam was so tolerent - why is it that every time a muslim speaks up about the western world, then we are in decay, we are filthy people who only thinks of momey and pornolized ?
we have tons of moral , and culture - its just very differend from the muslim way - but again - they dont see it - we are just filthy infidels
so next time red cross comes by becourse something happens in a muslim country - i’ll still think deep and hard - weather i think they deserve my hard earned money - as i’m just a filthy infidel
if the muslim world just couldt become less extreme, and more friendly.
i cant see why there shouldt be so much trouble
why does the state of isreal have be be removed ? dont we all have a right to live ? why does the iranien president question holocaust ? thats just plain stupid and for all i care we shouldt never have anything to do with them as long as they belive in that
the same goes for palestina - close the borders and build the damn wall - let isreal remove all troops and lets em sort out all their problems - when Hamas then say they work for peace - then we can start trading again
50# let me rephrase it for you, you said “the moslim countries run the highest youth unemployment ratings on the planet” Hmmm, does that link suppor this statment??!! Well, let’s see now who’s in cronic stat of twisting truth, and by the way When you say ARAB, you are not offending me!! because I am not Arab and in fact about 85% of Muslims are not Arab, there are many Christian and Jews who are Arab. Even Muslims who are Arab are not offended when you talk about Arab becuase they belong to Islam more than Arab. A Muslim is my brother, regardless what country he/she comes from, or what sktin color he/she has. Unlike Christianity nowadays it depends on what color your skin is or what part of the world you come from.
53# Probably dk is a friend for you in your humble mind, but in NO WAY they are friend of Islam. We don’t need to make friends with Pegs, our Number is growing as ISLAM IS THE FASTEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD according to western statistics!!(H) like or not dk people, The time will come when these pegs bow for us to have some mercy on them. They knocked on the door first and soon they will hear their answer, Sure they will not have good dreams as they used to before. At that time, apologies have no place.
My Nozoor again
It is a waste of time to discuss things with u
I have a relative who lived in USA, he said that if a car crash happend, the first muslim police men will meet will be the cause, and if there were no muslim, then it should be a black man…
Talking about the Palestinian… give them back there land I and take the Jews and israelis instead of them… The Jews are fine, they learn fast.. and sson the will control ur economy.. and you’ll find ur self - Just like the Americans- paying taxes to establish and maintain thier dreams of the ” Promised land”!!! that will be Denemark by then!!
See u!
Dear Sirs ,
Which law , or right you have to hurt the feelings of 1.2 billion Muslims all over the world .Your right to express whatever you want unless you hurt the others !Look what freedom and moderenization you brought to your society ! No more marriage in your chuches.Now a man is married to a man , a woman is married to a woman ! and you see that it is freedom ! Ar’nt you Christians ? Don’t you believe in God ? Muslims are human beens and they believe in God same as every real Christian , and Jew .Hope to be nice and appologize for what you did ! Ali ( Muslim from Palestine )
FOR ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK AS THESE PEOPLE WHO DREW THESE UN DESCRIBABLE CARTOONS OF PROPHET MOHAMMED PBUH, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT U HAVE NO SENSE OF RESPECT TO ANYONE .. ISLAM ISNT ABOUT WAR OR TERROR .. TERRORISTS ARE USING ISLAM AS A THEME TO HIDE THEIR REAL INNER SELVES. U PEOPLE DONT KNOW A THING ABOUT ISLAM. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOULD TRY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT ISLAM AND THEN U WILL REALISE THAT UR WRONG.
what is wrong with a man married to man or a women married to a women ?
so what if people dont get married in a church - they do in the city hall !
and so what ! what has that to do with any thing ?????
once again - dont u see that that has notthing to do with anything ?
just becourse our culture and our state of mind says something else that yours , doesnt mean it bad !
but u allways say - look - man on man, porn, alcohol what ever!
just becourse you belive that its bad - doesnt mean we have to or its infact a bad thing!
why do you allways want your norm and your way of thinking to be the only right one ????
and show me proof that thers a god and we can start talking - for me the bible and the koran is just one big book of story telling - and shouldt be put under fiction in the book store!
and how can some drawings hurt people ? come on!
and so what if they hurt someone - thats the right to express what you feel!
dont mistake freedom of speech to freesdom of speach BUT without hurting a single one
then you couldt say or do anything.
Any day i wouldt prefer our way of living to the pakistainen, iranin, palestien or saudi way of living.
rather life in a world, where you can live as you want without been forced like women do those countries mentioned. thats not a civilized way of living
getting wiped 200 times for gibing birth outside marrige … a girl whos physic ill and very stpied -getting hanged. girls getting raped as payback for other rapes. Women getting hanged, for killing their husbands while he tryed to kill them
i say - you are infidels
#26: Your assertion that Christians “the don’t -deeply- feel that there is a real human being called Jesus” is simply not true. What you seem incapable of understanding is that not all westerners are Christians.
To answer the rest of your questions…
“Can any News Paper Publish Fun cartoons about Moses?”
Jesus is far more important to Christians than Moses. So if Jesus can be mocked, then there is no reason why Moses cannot.
“Can Any News paper question the fake number of Jews killed by Hetler ?”
What fake number? The reason that newspapers don’t question the Holocaust is that they tend to be interested in uncovering the truth - unlike a certain Iranian president I could mention.
“Can Any Body talk about the Crimes commited by Israel or question what is going on in Palestine!”
Yes they can. See here and here and here and here and here and here. And the list goes on.
You can say what you like about Jews in France, but you can’t threaten them. The same is true for Muslims.
#30: If you called on muslims to “fight against America and her allies” then you may well face prosecution for inciting violence. You wouldn’t be “thrown into a prison, tortured and killed” because a civilised country, such as Denmark, will recognise your right to defend yourself in court.
#39: You ask, “What will happen to me when I go to the centre square in Copenhagen, dressed as a Pig and decorated with the Star of David?”
The answer: nothing at all will happen to you.
#56: When you say, “The Jews are fine, they learn fast.. and sson the will control ur economy,” you completely discredit anyone who claims that Islam is anything other than an intolerant and racist theology.
#57: So what else did freedom and modernisation bring?
Here’s an answer for you…
Are we Back into the Vikings Era?!
I was observing with great dismay the pity and shock in the faces and souls of the majority peaceful, ordinary, Moslems due to the “civilized” and “free” filth in the Danish newspapers, and later on in the Norway’s, about Prophet Mohammed and Moslems.
While doing so, I was incidentally reading the dark history of your ancestors, the pagan Vikings, who raided and looted most of Western Europe between the 8th and the 11th centuries. In fact, I just compared your grandfather’s history at that period with the history of Islam. Shockingly, I found that all the Scandinavian people were barely walking animals when Prophet Mohammed enlightened the entire world, early in the 7th century, with the most civilized message and teachings ever.
Therefore, I am writing to you as a Moslem who used to be a “moderate Moslem” but is seriously considering to be another Bin Laden, as is the case with so many Moslems around the globe today.
I just keep wondering why you, the people of the west, tend and claim to be “scientific”, “civilized”, and “fair” in studying everything, but when it comes to Islam, you ignore all your claims and blindly leave them behind?!
Did your “gang” journalists, cartoonists, or even your closed-minded governments, ever try to be scientific or civilized when analyzing Islam or the life of Prophet Mohammed?!
Did they ever understand what civilization is?!
Civilization is not just knowing how to process cheese or manufacture some goods, furniture, or equipment.
Rather, civilization is, most importantly, the real strive to be fair, humble, compassionate, and, at the minimum, logical and scientific in analyses and judgment of others.
What hurts the feelings of every Moslem on earth is the fact that your stupid journalists and politicians are pushing us extremely hard to stop being “moderate”, while unfairly accusing Islam and Prophet Mohammed of being a source of terrorism.
When a Moslem sees your representation of “moderate Moslems” in one of your stupid the caricatures, he/she must think repeatedly NOT to be a “moderate Moslem” any further. So, who is the source and agitator of terrorism?! (The cartoon shows a Moslem prostrating, with his forehead on the ground, and two “civilized” “Vikings” looking at him and asking one another: is he praying to Mecca?! Then the other said laughingly: No, he is burying his head in the sand! The cartoon shows the Moslem with the phrase “Moderate Moslem” written on his ass!)
In addition, when it comes to the European bloody history compared to the entire world, well-documented figures tell the full truth. You, the “civilized” Europeans killed in less than 200 years much more than what all other societies killed in 5000 years! Just remember how many you, the “civilized Europeans”, killed of innocent people everywhere during the 20th century alone!
Surprisingly, you always, and in every occasion, claim shamelessly that you are “peaceful” “Christians”!
Did Jesus teach you to kill more than 30 million people in just one century? If so, then Christianity must be the bloodiest religion on earth. Otherwise, since Jesus never called for any such thirst for blood, you must not be Christians nor shall you twist the truth and accuse the most peaceful religion, Islam, of being the source of all terror on earth!
Not only that, but you falsely claim that you promote and protect the freedom of speech and worship.
Alas, you do so just when it serves your ill and bloodthirsty personalities and fake, naked, “civilization”.
Just as a simple example, consider what will happen if someone would dare to express any little doubts, in your media, about the extent of the exaggerated Holocaust, regardless of how authentic, scientific, and peaceful his/her argument is. On the other hand, consider the extremely limited freedom of Moslem women to cover their heads with humble scarves in the west. Or consider the freedom of a Moslem to speak against the prevailing western culture, even if he/she does so with full wisdom and professionalism!
I know that you would say: if you do not like our culture, then do not come to our society. That is fair, but you do not stop there, unfortunately!
You are in fact, the “civilized Europeans”, intermingling with all our affairs under the faked covers of “freedom”, “human rights”, “women rights”, “dogs rights”, “insects rights”, and “everything-except-Moslems rights”. On the other hand, you do not accept, or even imagine, that we have the rights to object, try to preserve our cultural identity, or even defend our selves against your intermingling and bloody aggressions!
Can’t you leave our culture, our Prophet, and us alone, if you cannot be fair and civilized enough?!
Can’t you try, at least once, to be fair and logical in understanding our culture, the dreams of our innocent children, and the worries and struggles we encounter as human beings like you?!
Just to cite an ongoing example, don’t you fell ashamed when you compare what the dictator Saddam Hussein did in Iraq with what you, the “civilized Europeans” did in the same country?
It is true that he was bloody and killed thousands. However, you “western” “civilized” “Christians” killed at least hundreds of thousands in Iraq and imprisoned the entire country, with the false claim that you came to free them?! Perhaps to free them of their dignity and lives?!
I know you would say: it is the Americans who did all that! Nevertheless, don’t forget that they share with you the same thinking, the same culture, and the same worldview. They are basically people who came from Europe and inherited all your diseases. You are simply the same; you are the same “western” “civilized” “Christians”!!
To be fair, I admit that there are western, Christian or Jewish people who are really civilized, humble, fair, and act ethically, like Robert Fisk of the UK, Naom Chomsky of the US, and John Esposito of the US, among others. However, these are very limited in numbers and influence and are exposed to hardship by your “free” civilization one way or the other.
Please leave us alone, or otherwise the revenge would be so immense that you cannot cope with it when it knocks your doors.
Just remember; you are simply creating millions of Bin Laden, whom you know very well.
And remember; weak doesn’t remain always weak and strong doesn’t remain always strong!
Moslems are awakening everywhere, partly due to your stupid actions and intermingling. Hence, one day, they will take their revenge, if you do not deal with them NOW with respect and fairness. And the revenge, if you keep charging us, will be beyond your stupid immagination!
Finally, I find it ethically a must to warn you that everybody outside your cultural domain see what is going on as a clear indication of the disastrous decline of your ill, naked, crime-based, drug-based, materialistic, and unethical “civilization”, if you still have any at all!
i’ve been sick and tired from what people in europe and america think about islam …always wanted them to see us in the right way always want them to belive that we are not terrorists …i always hated what osama ben laden do …..BUT after what happend from Jyllands-Posten i don’t care about what you think any more ..just stay as you are blinded keep beliving your own lies …. keep the rage and terror go more ….i ‘m starting to belive that you deserve it ..i don’t care any more about what you think of us ( muslims) but from now and on no more dealing with denemark . and no more dealing with any one who dosn’t respect us .
apparently a Man with the Name Abu Fucking Laban a danish fucking fake Iman went to the midlle east to tell lies about denmark, that is what this about. Abu Laban is shit. Fuck him
let me say the same to you # 61 and # 62
do your islamic brothers treat us with respect in our own countries ?????
I ask as its a well defined problem we have in the west with islam - immigrants are 500 - 2000% more criminals here - so dont preach about respect and islam
we see how muslims behave here - and ofcourse many makes up their mind from that!
and i still fell its a stupid conflict - its drawings and it legal in the west. dont like it - ok thats fair. but to be outraged thats just stupid.
no make a dialog or shut up. so many yell kill kill kill - jihad and what ever. so how shouldt we look at your culture again ? when thats what we see and hear ?
i still belive we shouldt be able to live side by side without problems.
but as i have said before and as #69 and #68 clearly shows, your moral and cultural thinking IS NOT the truth.
just becourse we do things one way, and belive in